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[metamadman.livejournal.com]

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[bearbugs.livejournal.com]

hahaha, good one :)

[planetmad.livejournal.com]

that's pretty much how the rest of the world views America

[tbonestg.livejournal.com]

Which is why we disregard what the rest of the world has to say about anything and everything.

[tbonestg.livejournal.com]

So it would have gone so much better if we'd listened to everyone else?

If the world is talking shit about you, you're doing something right. If the world is actually getting together to wage violence against you, you've done something wrong.

Which is how we know that America is always right.

[iain666.livejournal.com]

So how many nations need to join the Axis of Evil (TM) and fund terrorism to wage violence on the US by the backdoor before that counts as the world getting together and the US doing something wrong?

If two countries plus an Alliance of the Willing Non-entities are waging war on a country while the rest of the first world (and a significant minority - if not a slight majority - of the citizens of the two real countries) decry their actions does that count as the world getting together or is that just the a couple of rogue states throwing their weight around?

I suppose if Bush had listened to the rest of the world then Bin Laden wouldn't be in jail; Iraq wouldn't be a peaceful and prosperous democracy; Iran wouldn't have been scared into giving up their nuclear ambitions and toeing the international community's line; radicalism in all it's forms wouldn't be in retreat; North Korea wouldn't have disarmed and stopped threatening the stability of the whole of S.E. Asia... Oh no wait, none of that's actually happened.

Still, there're loads of Americans in Iraq so the terrorists from Saudi don't have to travel quite so far to kill some now; without the iron fist of the Taleban controlling Afghanistan and keeping the opium farmers down heroin has never been so cheap; Halliburton have made an absolute fortune. Result all round, I think.

[tbonestg.livejournal.com]

LOL. Because the rest of the world presented anything close to a viable alternative to our actions.

Because the rest of the world said "wait, don't invade Afghanistan, just nuke Afghanistan and Pakistan from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

Because the world said "Wait until Saddam dies or his or his sons' regime collapses before you move into Iraq to stabilize the country. Because at that point, you might as well nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

The Iranians want the bomb regardless of whether we have it or not. What we do doesn't change that they have nuclear armed Pakistan and India just to their West and, of course, nuclear-armed Israel to their East. The Persian people, regardless of their political or religious beliefs or their opinions regarding the United States, all support Iran's nuclear program.

Likewise, North Korea's nuclear development went on, regardless of who was in the White House or world opinion. Why? Because North Korea's only bargaining chip is its nuclear weapons program. What's the world opinion's alternative? Nuke them from orbit?

The Saudis get to go into Iraq and die fighting against our well-armed and armored American soldiers. I'd much prefer them fight and die there than in New York.

Halliburton hasn't made a fortune. Most of its contracts have been fixed mark-up. They're making 3 cents on the dollar. Some fortune. That's why Halliburton is consdiering cutting KBR loose anyway.

World opinion is fucking stupid. When it's not advocating that losers regain their well-earned losses, it's trying to maintain the status quo. Without the United States and a few other countries capable of providing leadership in the world, it would collapse under its collective stupidity.

[iain666.livejournal.com]

Afghanistan was a war that probably should have happened. It was also a war that should have been finished, not allowed to fizzle out half way through because certain people in the US administration were so desperate to go after Iraq. That's why Karzai is so limp, why there is a weak presence from the over-stretched US and British militaries and an even weaker international force allowing the Taleban to regroup and fight back.

Regime change in Iraq should have happened by encouraging, supplying and supporting (with covert military aid if necessary) local opposition to Saddam. If that really could not have worked then the invasion should have been carried out by people who'd stopped for 2 minutes to think about how they were going to deal with rebuilding the country and preventing the civil war that pretty much anything who knows squat about the history of the region could see coming.

It's not so much that Bush's wars should never have happened, although the value of Iraq is debatable, but that they were gung-ho adventures for proving how freaking awesome the US war-machine is at blowing shit up with no regard for the aftermath or plan for winning the peace.

Never mind that we were spun into the Iraq war by lying administrations on both sides of the Atlantic.

Diplomacy with Iran was actually going quite well until some cowboy declared they were EVIL and invaded the countries either side of them. They got a bit spooked then, can't imagine why...

North Korea is well and truly fucked up and a threat an order of magnitude greater than Saddam's Iraq ever was, but Bush has done next to nothing except call them names.

And I guarantee you that there is more hatred of the US and more people willing to die for nutters like Bin Laden now than there were in 2000. You can't ever stamp out extremists like him, all you can do is make sure that your average middle-eastern adolescent laughs when someone tells him the US is the great Satan and he is required to join the Jihad so he becomes a lone nutter and not an evil terrorist mastermind. You don't do that by shooting people....

not allowed to fizzle out half way through

[justgoto.livejournal.com]

Afghan operation “kills 600 militants in 45 days”: US (http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/subcontinent/2006/July/subcontinent_July938.xml&section=subcontinent&col)

And I guarantee you that there is more hatred of the US and more people willing to die for nutters like Bin Laden now than there were in 2000.
Would that be a money back guarantee?

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[iain666.livejournal.com]

Money back guarantee? Why not - you give me some cash and should I fail to back up my assertion in a specified time frame you can have it back ;-)

Despite several major American offensives in Kunar over the past year, the militants keep re-grouping - many of them foreign fighters with al-Qaeda backing. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4508052.stm)


...it's clear to coalition insiders that the Taleban are "fighting harder and more coherently, tenaciously and in bigger numbers than they expected" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5107816.stm)

The American resources that could have transformed Afghanistan and secured the whole country from a Taleban resurgence were instead diverted into toppling Saddam Hussein and then trying to deal with the terrible mess that followed. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4926628.stm)

"Of course we're growing poppy this year," said the district chief. "The government, the foreigners - they promised us help if we stopped. But where is it?" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4493596.stm)

IISS assesment of Al-Qaida post Iraq (http://www.iiss.org/index.asp?pgid=2752)"...overall, the US occupation of Iraq has enlarged the American military footprint in the Persian Gulf and dramatically demonstrated the American determination to change the political status quo in the Arab world in ways that cater to US strategic and political interests. Insofar as al-Qaeda seeks, among other things, to purge the Arab and larger Muslim world of US influence, these inflammatory factors outweigh any calming effect that the prospective US withdrawal from Saudi Arabia might have. Indeed, the Riyadh operation could be construed as an act of combative triumphalism, whereby al-Qaeda intended to convey that it had successfully driven the US from the land of Islam's two most holy sites and would complete the job of 'sanitising' the rest of Islam."

more from the IISS (http://www.iiss.org/index.asp?pgid=4019) - "countering this [Al Qaeda's] brand of terrorism via force to the exclusion of dealing with the essence of fanatical anti-Americanism is akin to treating the symptoms of a disease while ignoring the underlying cause(s) of the malady. At best, one experiences short-term relief"

Christopher Langton, a defense expert at the IISS, says the Taliban "have largely recovered from their initial defeat" (http://www.iiss.org/index.asp?pgid=12173) and from the same article, "The Afghan Taliban is better organized today than it was in 2001 ... they have more recruits"

I think the increase in the number of terrorists in Iraq is self-evident. The UK now has, at least in part as a response to US/UK foreign policy, home-grown suicide bombers. It is probably only a matter of time before disaffected US Muslims perform their own acts of home-grown Islamic terrorism in the US (although I hope I'm wrong).

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[justgoto.livejournal.com]

No you don't get how this is done. I take issue with,

It was also a war that should have been finished, not allowed to fizzle out half way through

And you are supposed to provide facts as to reduced US troop levels or whatnot, reporters opinion's on where "resources" should have gone, hasn't the weight to support your statement.

I want my money back.

[dr-pepper-spray.livejournal.com]

AND that's pretty much why the rest of the world hates us. Kind of like any 'ole condescending A-hole, sure he might be right and maybe smarter but he's still a douche bag.

[tbonestg.livejournal.com]

Fine. I can live with being a douche bag.

As long as I'm some pathetic foreigner bad mouthing America because I and my fellow citizens all have an inferiority complex.

yaaaahhh shudddup.

[dr-pepper-spray.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'm wrong to do this, but I see the world community as children with very large heads. SO sue me. To me America is kind of the swaggering, beefy kid who's a bit self-righteous but does, deep down somewhere, mean well. His polarized views aren't always off the mark actually. Unfortunatly for him, although he doesn't see it, his high and mighty demeanor all but makes the other children want to beat the living hell out of him for even breathing; look! they actually cheer when he loses! Who cares if he was fighting for the right cause? I'm sure you'll take umbrage to this silly set of analogies - I don't care. In fact, this argument is so old and stale that I really don't care what the response might be.

Re: yaaaahhh shudddup.

[tbonestg.livejournal.com]

Yep. I was that kid. More concerned with being right than popular.

Re: yaaaahhh shudddup.

[metamadman.livejournal.com]

Too bad you are more often wrong than right.

[pentha.livejournal.com]

No, see, when something is considered as a truth world-widely, it's merely because the people are ignorant (and omg jeluz) sheeple. Not because that's actually the way it is.
They are wrong, the lot of them!

btw the Earth is flat. Yeah say what you may, me and my gigantic ego prefer to be right than popular, neener neener.

Re: yaaaahhh shudddup.

[tbonestg.livejournal.com]

The only time I'm wrong is when the events that will prove me right haven't happened yet.

[hoboclown.livejournal.com]

It reminds me of that scene from Mars Attacks.

"WE COME IN PEACE"

[darkblood777.livejournal.com]

"We come in peace, shoot to kill!"

[sakurabana1.livejournal.com]

That's pretty good.

[zombiesmustdie.livejournal.com]

america: FUCK YEAH!

[madmethod.livejournal.com]

I like it, the illustration rocks.

[saint-boner.livejournal.com]

God bless Amerika... what happened to all the money.

[vlion.livejournal.com]

I know, America is so lame! Look at how we destroyed Germany and Japan! I can't believe how EVIL we are!

[-hiddenwolf-.livejournal.com]

how we destroyed Germany

Americans fought at Stalingrad?