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[bluetooth16.livejournal.com]

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As far as the first cartoon is concerned, I think that the US should take a tougher stance towards Iran. The best way to deal with this menace is to openly aid and support democratic movements inside the country that will take down the regime from the insde. The second cartoon shows that Israel has a right to defend one of its citizens when terrorists are taking hostages. In this case, negotiating may not be the best idea, especially since Hamas would love nothing better than to see Israel lose more than they gain.

Comments

The first one:

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

What?!

Re: The first one:

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

If it's too complex for you, let me simplify it:

Iran better stop fucking with us, or they'll be getting dealt with.

Re: The first one:

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

How are they "fucking with us"?

Re: The first one:

[bluetooth16.livejournal.com]

The gist of it is that Bush's diplomacy is the wrong approach to dealing with Iran, espeicially considering all of their evil deeds.

Re: The first one:

[yamansalahi.livejournal.com]

Have you ever considered all of America's evil deeds?

Re: The first one:

[kmilligan.livejournal.com]

1979 - The Khomeni revolution overthrows the Sahah, the revolutionaries (Ahmadenijad being one of them) seize the US Embassy (an act of war) and take hostages. The hostages are returned, but the US does nothing.

1983 - Hezbollah bombs the US Embassy in Beruit (an act of war) killing 63 people. Later that year they bombed US marine barracks in Beruit, killing 220 marines. The US withdrew from Beruit a year later.

1996 - The Khobar Towers in Khobar, Saudi Arabia was bombed by Hezbollah killing 19 US servicemen. Despite a lot of huff from President Clinton about finding and bringing to justice those responsible, we removed our military to the remote Prince Sultan Airbase in the Saudi Desert, where US forced remained until 2003.

2006 - We've captured Iranian soldiers operating in Iraq.

It's well known which country finances and supports Hezbollah. We have a lot of reasons to take threats from Iran seriously. The question is, do they have any reason to take threats from us seriously?

Re: The first one:

[yamansalahi.livejournal.com]

Hezbollah is not Iran. By those standards the US is guilty for the actions of every organization and entity it funds.

You have deceptively failed to address the context of these attacks.

1979-- The US was supporting the dictatorial Shah. What do you think happens in a revolution?

1983-- The US was openly supporting the sectarian Gemayel government against other sectarian interests in a volatile and violent warzone that Israel had left for US troops to risk their lives taking care of.

I'm unaware of the last one. Where did you read that?

[yamansalahi.livejournal.com]

The first one is even more extreme than the President's views, and that scares me. What's the point of diplomacy with friendly nations anyway? It's meant for the boogeymen.

The second one is just stupid. Maybe if instead of going after the cub, the lion went after a bunch of humans in the other direction, that would make more sense considering Israel's nonsensical approach to the kidnapping.

[kmilligan.livejournal.com]

The whole point of the cartoon was to detail examples of Iran being decidedly unfriendly.

So if you were Israel, and you had the elected Hamas government kidnapping your soldiers and killing your citizens, what would you do? How do you negotiate with people who's starting point is that you should all die?

[yamansalahi.livejournal.com]

First, the elected Hamas government is not kidnapping soldiers. The Palestinian Resistance Committees, a hodge podge of disgruntled members of various groups, took the soldier. Second, the Hamas political leadership's starting point is not that Israelis should all die. Maybe you've missed out on the agreement Hamas made with Fatah last week to implicitly recognize Israel's right to exist. Maybe you missed out on all the times Hamas has offered extended truces to Israel under the condition that the occupation end and that the West Bank and Gaza, along the 67 borders and with mutual changes, be used for a Palestinian state.

Considering that Hamas' ideology is otherwise so unacceptable, it is really embarassing and sickening that they are more acceptable and rational than American and Israeli policies with regards to Palestine.

[calvin-coolidge.livejournal.com]

I agree that Israel's approach to the kidnappings and the Palestinians in general is nonsensical. Any other country with a lick of sense would have forcibly ejected the Palestinians and sent them back to their rightful country, Jordan, by now.

[yamansalahi.livejournal.com]

So how are you any different from the people who state their goal as being "pushing the Jews into the sea?"

C&F

[yamansalahi.livejournal.com]

Given that I've seen these cartoons over and over, I can only conclude 2 things about Cox and Forkum:

(1) They really have no idea what is going on in the world, but they think they do

(2) They really don't care what is going on in the world, but intentionally frame it this way because it supports their extremist and otherwise illogical and unpopular views

Why? Because their cartoons don't analyze facts, they make facts.

Re: C&F

[kmilligan.livejournal.com]

So we've been imagining 20 years problems with Iran, and Iran's long history of supporting terrorism?

The Israelis are imagining kidnapping and rockets fired into Israel from Gaza?

These are all made up facts?

Re: C&F

[vlion.livejournal.com]

My thought on Cox and Forkum is that they are unabashedly pro-American, probably heavily isolationist, and their cartoons are a reflection of that.

Re: C&F

[bluetooth16.livejournal.com]

C&F are Randians, and that's what makes them off beat. Anyway, I will continue to posting them because they are sucessfully causing negative reaction.

[nallyo.livejournal.com]

I want to say that that same lion appeared in an earlier strip that they did after the British subway bombings.

[kadaria.livejournal.com]

He gets around :P Though a lion makes more sense for Britian anyway.
I actually find the male lion cub situation ironic since it's usually the males who are most likely to kill the cubs.

[kadaria.livejournal.com]

Bluetooth, would you like to share with the rest of the class what is going on in your pretty pictures? It's really easy, all you have to do is click the little blue pencil and edit your post.

[bluetooth16.livejournal.com]

Will do!

[madmethod.livejournal.com]

Clearly this is one of those issues that gets everyone's knickers in a twist.

I rarely agree with C&F, but I hope Bluetooth keeps posting them because of the negative reaction. Conflict (when done in a calm objective fashion) leads to resolution, which is something we should all want. It's too bad people get too emotional about these things for honest and productive discourse.

As for Israel and Palestine, I say our interests there are dangerous to Americans, as are all our interests in the mid-east. The Israelis are one ethnic group that comes from a bunch of tribes that have been fighting over that scrap of earth for thousands of years. As long as both sides base their position on ancient ethnic beefs and religious mandates, then they are both screwed.

[reblwithacause.livejournal.com]

I agree, let Israel and te Palestinians handle their issues and America go and battle theirs (most of which I see within their/our country).