Globalism is wonderful. However, for much of the first world, globalism means that jobs are leaving to go somewhere where people will do them for cheaper. People who are in those jobs are very unhappy with this state of affairs.
Because it leads to lower priced goods, provides the chief mechanism for the improvement of poorer countries, and because it is an inevitable result of technological advance. So, it's good because it ends up being beneficial for a ton of people while only harming a relatively small number of people. But, good or evil, it's going to happen regardless. Economic forces make it inevitable.
abundance, freedom, that was the original promise to society for allowing capitalism or laissez fair supply and demand to proliferate. if economic forces are left to play out their nature cycles yes maybe it would be possible, but there are those who manipulate and take advantage of it merely for profit and gain.
yes there can be improvement, that's true until someone begins to tamper with that process and hoards and stockpiles out of circulation to buy and sell tangible commodities as stock futures to "what the market will bear" (opposite of what you suggested). like the banks that make up money on paper and then collect on interest from actual sweat equity of others, as promissory notes for generations to come, so investors use human lives, labour, resources, property and commodities as currency. the sex trade and debt slavery is sometimes referred to as human cargo. we are cattle or chattel, just another "commodity" to become manipulated. i don't want my kids or grandkids to have to pay for my existence...
the internet computer "build once-use many" was supposed to bring the world to our fingertips. now we are required to pay dearly for everything. fucking adobe rip-off graphic software is an example of how ugly this has become. $125 USD per month just to use their piece of controlled shit that monitors our activity for commercial profit. and that is after you've paid $1500 o buy a device on which to access it. photo services are pay per use, with stupid thumbnail catalogs and locked security.
music sharing, idea sharing, image sharing enriched everyone's life until it fell under corporate copyright censorships. we were beginning to co-create the best of the best by natural progression. now we get fed reuters thing of the day. nothing without pre approval by web filters. this truly is the "internet of things".
part 2: OPM using "other people's money" like hillary who gets money from george soros who essentially stole it from countries tax bases and interest from money systems, rather than work for or earn it with tangible goods and services. the US has been raided to the tune of trillions of dollars. that could go back into the economy to create jobs and rebuild infrastructure. and feed the unfortunate. americans have paid for the implementation of the NWO. 911 was the biggest bank heist in know history.
there are two types of people, consumers and creatives. those who consume until there is no more left, driving price up due to scarcity. and those who create anew something from nothing based on the principles of nature from the place of abundance, bringing down prices -as you have stated- that technological advances can provide. why does the fucking internet technology cost us half our income just to have access to information and communication databases? because they are becoming controlled and gated communities of pa -per-use services raking more profit for the bloody elite. they steal our content and then block us from using it. server fees just for web pages. it's just a robot running algorithms in the background. i don't know how these blog services survive high usages. or why google is the richest corporation in the universe. everywhere someone wants your credit card. why can't this all be shared in both profit and responsibility equally? like "together we are more than we are separately?"
google is a cut and paste machine. the computer is a glorified typewriter, with a camera, telephone, music and video player soon to become cash chip machine. like automobiles we are just appendages required to drive the robots around from place to place. hit send. i would like to see the internet for a day without a user. there would be no movement. just stasis, like the sumerian stone records, in virtual electronics. without human initiative or discernment, this would become mechanistic.
sorry, i got carried away. i'm an artist with a chip on my shoulder about predatory electronic data technology. the cloud could be a thing of beauty, but it's an artist nightmare, like giving all our original creations to the monsters to devour and do what they will with. china knows how to do that. commodify everything. we taught them well. now they're coming here with all those "low wages", and driving up our real estate prices on demand so that long time residents and citizens can no longer afford to live here or pay rent. meanwhile the bulk of china is worked to death for the profit of an elite few.
However, when you look at the actual effect of globalization, it has been a tremendous positive. India, China, Taiwan, and large swaths of Southeast Asia and South America are economically stronger than they've ever been, and it's almost entirely due to the power of global trade. For that matter, global trade is in the process of dismantling the oppressive regime in China (although the current leadership there is trying desperately to put the chaos back in the box), and creating a middle class there that is demanding a participative government.
Now, that is a net positive regardless of the abuses that you mention. Another is the Wal-Mart effect. The reason Wal-Mart worked is because they could provide goods for lower prices than any of their competitors. They did this by outsourcing manufacturing (primarily to China). Now, they took a huge PR hit for this, but the end consumers who they serve, many of whom are low income families, benefitted greatly from those reduced prices. Again, Wal-Mart has tremendous problems with their treatment of their employees, but without their existence, a lot of those families are going to be worse off. The "mom and pop" stores that Wal-Mart replaced were simply unable to provide goods as cheaply.
In this way, globalization benefits two very different groups of people who are very far apart geographically. This happens regardless of environmental impact, human rights abuses, or corporate greed. It is a natural outcome of technological advance which allows for quick transport of goods across national boundaries. It also results in manufacturing leaving the first world and moving to poorer countries, which is the main complaint that people have with globalization.
you are a very positive fellow. yes, it seems that on the surface we have achieved much and the big picture looks good in principle, i just think it fails the weak and unfortunate. the elite call this fallout on a large scale "collateral damage" and claim justification by "at least they (Chinese workers) were better off because we paid them minimal jobs". china's factory cities have experienced boom and bust periods in this process as well. that is how the west has for (economic) change on china. but the reality is those workers live in hives exchanging sleeping areas and sharing jobs at menial wage that use their energy for long hours, more than a legislated 8, at menial tasks and have no benefits. a project factory city has sprung up as a result where those who work are trained, provided reasonable living quarters with appropriate family support. that is a novel change from the old coal mine mentality. and if it all comes down to cost then yes walmart exploited the lowest common denominators for profit and gain and was trying to treat its american workers similarly paying minimum wage. consumer goods made in china are actually inferior to anything once made in north america. brakes from china don't live out their warranty and need to be replaced. screw threads are misshapen. pieces break. piles of discarded goods are left on manufacturing floors as inferior waste if they use quality control. at the same time, our own kinder morgan pipeline issues are displacing and affecting longstanding first nations and small communities, with the carrot of jobs, that go to trained skilled workers, not the communities they exploit for their gain. so yes the productivity is there but the balance is not fair trade. in carpentry we used to say, "full day's work for an equal day's pay". that was the old days before 1974 before they changed the money systems to rake profit from high interests. in the early 80s, mortgage inflation interests hit highs of 20% before they limited them to 4% and then almost to 2% more recently. properties we could once purchase here in vancouver for $85,000 have escalated 10 times to $850,000 along with costs of living and transportation. bus used to cost 25 cents now costs $2.75 - $5.00 depending on travel zones. so our lifestyle has improved for some, those in the industries tied to progress, but has displaced many who are on fixed income or unskilled. education costs have similarly sky rocketed. it's a rich man's gain (game). fiddle on the roof.
have you seen a documentary called san francisco 2.0?
Hunters Point Gentrification - HBO San Francisco 2.0 - it's worth a look if you can find the entire film. there are bits and pieces of it on YT
where the cost of a sandwich has gone from $1.20 to $12.00 and a coffee from 10 cents to $1.80 that's called inflation... if the mass production was used to give value back to the consumer our streets would be paved with gold, but the profits are raked off by an elite few while consumers pay what the market will bear.. when it changes slowly we get used to it like boiled frogs until it squeezes out our blood.
Those forces you are talking about have nothing to do with globalization. You are talking about corporate greed. I agree that there are massive problems with corporate greed. But those problems occur entirely separate from globalization.
i think globalization came with oceanic shipping and airline transportation along with mass communication and tourism.
the rest is sociopolitical and economic as you say, corporate greed.
are you familiar with the term "disaster capitalism"? regardless of what causes the catastrophe, there are a few wealthy elite poised to profit from both sides of the story. rothschild's grandfather funded both sides of the war and made money from america and germany.
The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein
I'll agree with the first and third of your observations, but "provides the chief mechanism for the improvement of poorer countries"? Nope. That is a pure neoclassical myth, designed specifically to mislead.
I refer you to Ha Joon Chang (http://hajoonchang.net/books/books-i-have-written/)'s Bad Samaritans. (Very interesting details there about how protectionism and government involvement helped jump-start the British wool industry between the reigns of Henry VII and Elizabeth I.)
I'll have to take a look at that book, thanks for the recommendation!
I can tell you that what has happened economically in China and India is pretty much entirely a result of global trade. I'm not saying there isn't wide ranging exploitation (as there was in the West during the Industrial Revolution), but the end result is the rise of a middle class.
Actually, the middle class is exactly the group that overthrows power elites. They have enough economic power to want autonomy and property rights, and they are numerous enough to work collectively.
you may be right, or left, or middle, nevertheless, you may be right. i think the middle class status quo had to be involved in a regime change in canada like harper, but it was said that trudeau actually got the youth vote.
I can tell you that what has happened economically in China and India is pretty much entirely a result of global trade
Yup.... under British rule, when the Brits took just about everything not nailed down and exported that wealth to the sceptre'd Isle. India was one of the most wealthy countries in the world; it's now a basket case. And British rule impoverished China enough to cause, largely, the Revolution.
Winner: Victorian England. Loser: Those guys.
Generally speaking, when a "visitor" has weapons, the wealth leaves the country with the weapons being carried, not from where the weapons were manufactured.
"The English Octopus: It feeds on nothing but gold": "Coin" Harvey, Coin’s Financial School 1894. Sub-title: “‘The Rothschilds own 1,600,000,000 in gold’- Chicago Daily News. This is nearly over half the gold in the Chicago wheat pit
One down 300 to go... Rockefeller, Rothschild, Bilderberg, I always get them all confused ...link (http://www.seawapa.co/2015/05/The-Federal-Reserve-Cartel-The-Eight-Families.html)
yes, i understand your question, i personally have lost home and investment on pure interest and inflation and only managed to keep up with inflation on any savings.i worked my ass off for what i have (had). the system is predatory. if we follow the money it leads straight to these assholes. they have our trillions in their psychotic pockets. and they're not helping people with it. they're using it for more personal gain.
so, i'm not defending anything, i'm just saying from my personal experience, money may well be the root of all evil.. it certainly has replaced the idea of god. on that masonic pyramid with the eye, ' in god we "rust"...'
you see, in multilevel marketing the top 1% always win with boardwalk and park place while the bottom 99 lose at monopoly. it's called a ponzi scheme. it raids interest on property and equity and forces some into bankruptcy. that's why it takes money to make money. like a casino, the stakes are too high for average 'me' to play. and maybe that's why it's so difficult to pull oneself out of poverty, when born into that mentality. those born with self-entitlement are a whole different breed. the sensitive ones creatives with a conscience, get mostly used or taken advantage of for our benevolence. there are takers and givers, but we should be both. rather than playing with a marked deck, where an elite few control the stock market or make the legislative rules, or bank policies, there needs to be more consideration for diversity, rather than streamlining everything to one way.
i mean, when one is subject to 30% interest on credit cards, because the bank won't lend you even micro credit at a reasonable rate, how does that allow for getting ahead? when rents supersede our incomes, how does that allow us living wages. i mean, if we even have a job. in those cases we are only one step from living on the streets off the kindness of strangers.
rockefeller and the global elite wants to cull our species to around 250 million. what do they intend to do with the other 7 billion? make one huge funeral pyre with joe in the volcano? these people are insane. they have no moral compass, there is only self-interest, and like a recidivist, once a criminal, always a criminal. you do what you know. you keep doing it, regardless of outcome, because you just like doing it. that's all i can figure. like a drug addict. how do you change their behaviour if you can't change their mind. money is the drug. if feels too good, and smells like freedom. we all wish we had more of it. we're all guilty of aiding and abetting the system that is preying off us. it's weird.
there is another way of thinking like paying it forward or gifting societies. see charles eisenstein sacred economics : http://sacred-economics.com
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Date: 2017-03-23 12:27 am (UTC)Why is globalism a bad thing?
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Date: 2017-03-23 01:48 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-03-23 08:01 am (UTC)yes there can be improvement, that's true until someone begins to tamper with that process and hoards and stockpiles out of circulation to buy and sell tangible commodities as stock futures to "what the market will bear" (opposite of what you suggested). like the banks that make up money on paper and then collect on interest from actual sweat equity of others, as promissory notes for generations to come, so investors use human lives, labour, resources, property and commodities as currency. the sex trade and debt slavery is sometimes referred to as human cargo. we are cattle or chattel, just another "commodity" to become manipulated. i don't want my kids or grandkids to have to pay for my existence...
the internet computer "build once-use many" was supposed to bring the world to our fingertips. now we are required to pay dearly for everything. fucking adobe rip-off graphic software is an example of how ugly this has become. $125 USD per month just to use their piece of controlled shit that monitors our activity for commercial profit. and that is after you've paid $1500 o buy a device on which to access it. photo services are pay per use, with stupid thumbnail catalogs and locked security.
music sharing, idea sharing, image sharing enriched everyone's life until it fell under corporate copyright censorships. we were beginning to co-create the best of the best by natural progression. now we get fed reuters thing of the day. nothing without pre approval by web filters. this truly is the "internet of things".
oh damn hit the word limit...
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Date: 2017-03-23 08:02 am (UTC)OPM using "other people's money" like hillary who gets money from george soros who essentially stole it from countries tax bases and interest from money systems, rather than work for or earn it with tangible goods and services. the US has been raided to the tune of trillions of dollars. that could go back into the economy to create jobs and rebuild infrastructure. and feed the unfortunate. americans have paid for the implementation of the NWO. 911 was the biggest bank heist in know history.
there are two types of people, consumers and creatives. those who consume until there is no more left, driving price up due to scarcity. and those who create anew something from nothing based on the principles of nature from the place of abundance, bringing down prices -as you have stated- that technological advances can provide. why does the fucking internet technology cost us half our income just to have access to information and communication databases? because they are becoming controlled and gated communities of pa -per-use services raking more profit for the bloody elite. they steal our content and then block us from using it. server fees just for web pages. it's just a robot running algorithms in the background. i don't know how these blog services survive high usages. or why google is the richest corporation in the universe. everywhere someone wants your credit card. why can't this all be shared in both profit and responsibility equally? like "together we are more than we are separately?"
google is a cut and paste machine. the computer is a glorified typewriter, with a camera, telephone, music and video player soon to become cash chip machine. like automobiles we are just appendages required to drive the robots around from place to place. hit send. i would like to see the internet for a day without a user. there would be no movement. just stasis, like the sumerian stone records, in virtual electronics. without human initiative or discernment, this would become mechanistic.
sorry, i got carried away. i'm an artist with a chip on my shoulder about predatory electronic data technology. the cloud could be a thing of beauty, but it's an artist nightmare, like giving all our original creations to the monsters to devour and do what they will with. china knows how to do that. commodify everything. we taught them well. now they're coming here with all those "low wages", and driving up our real estate prices on demand so that long time residents and citizens can no longer afford to live here or pay rent. meanwhile the bulk of china is worked to death for the profit of an elite few.
very complicated.. to say the least
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Date: 2017-03-23 08:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-03-23 12:34 pm (UTC)Now, that is a net positive regardless of the abuses that you mention. Another is the Wal-Mart effect. The reason Wal-Mart worked is because they could provide goods for lower prices than any of their competitors. They did this by outsourcing manufacturing (primarily to China). Now, they took a huge PR hit for this, but the end consumers who they serve, many of whom are low income families, benefitted greatly from those reduced prices. Again, Wal-Mart has tremendous problems with their treatment of their employees, but without their existence, a lot of those families are going to be worse off. The "mom and pop" stores that Wal-Mart replaced were simply unable to provide goods as cheaply.
In this way, globalization benefits two very different groups of people who are very far apart geographically. This happens regardless of environmental impact, human rights abuses, or corporate greed. It is a natural outcome of technological advance which allows for quick transport of goods across national boundaries. It also results in manufacturing leaving the first world and moving to poorer countries, which is the main complaint that people have with globalization.
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Date: 2017-03-23 03:43 pm (UTC)have you seen a documentary called san francisco 2.0?
Hunters Point Gentrification - HBO San Francisco 2.0 - it's worth a look if you can find the entire film. there are bits and pieces of it on YT
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Date: 2017-03-23 03:48 pm (UTC)here's some recent culture shock in america
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Date: 2017-03-23 09:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-03-24 03:09 am (UTC)the rest is sociopolitical and economic as you say, corporate greed.
are you familiar with the term "disaster capitalism"? regardless of what causes the catastrophe, there are a few wealthy elite poised to profit from both sides of the story. rothschild's grandfather funded both sides of the war and made money from america and germany.
The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine
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Date: 2017-03-24 02:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-03-23 08:12 pm (UTC)I refer you to Ha Joon Chang (http://hajoonchang.net/books/books-i-have-written/)'s Bad Samaritans. (Very interesting details there about how protectionism and government involvement helped jump-start the British wool industry between the reigns of Henry VII and Elizabeth I.)
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Date: 2017-03-23 09:00 pm (UTC)I can tell you that what has happened economically in China and India is pretty much entirely a result of global trade. I'm not saying there isn't wide ranging exploitation (as there was in the West during the Industrial Revolution), but the end result is the rise of a middle class.
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Date: 2017-03-23 11:46 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-03-24 08:13 pm (UTC)neither class, just the future coming at us..
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Date: 2017-03-24 12:24 am (UTC)Yup.... under British rule, when the Brits took just about everything not nailed down and exported that wealth to the sceptre'd Isle. India was one of the most wealthy countries in the world; it's now a basket case. And British rule impoverished China enough to cause, largely, the Revolution.
Winner: Victorian England. Loser: Those guys.
Generally speaking, when a "visitor" has weapons, the wealth leaves the country with the weapons being carried, not from where the weapons were manufactured.
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Date: 2017-03-24 02:51 am (UTC)"The English Octopus: It feeds on nothing but gold": "Coin" Harvey, Coin’s Financial School 1894. Sub-title: “‘The Rothschilds own 1,600,000,000 in gold’- Chicago Daily News. This is nearly over half the gold in the Chicago wheat pit
One down 300 to go... Rockefeller, Rothschild, Bilderberg, I always get them all confused ...link (http://www.seawapa.co/2015/05/The-Federal-Reserve-Cartel-The-Eight-Families.html)
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Date: 2017-03-24 02:03 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-03-23 04:52 am (UTC)I didn't make the post; I made a comment. Can you defend your post? My comment, being a question without suppositions, requires no defense.
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Date: 2017-03-23 07:06 am (UTC)so, i'm not defending anything, i'm just saying from my personal experience, money may well be the root of all evil.. it certainly has replaced the idea of god. on that masonic pyramid with the eye, ' in god we "rust"...'
you see, in multilevel marketing the top 1% always win with boardwalk and park place while the bottom 99 lose at monopoly. it's called a ponzi scheme. it raids interest on property and equity and forces some into bankruptcy. that's why it takes money to make money. like a casino, the stakes are too high for average 'me' to play. and maybe that's why it's so difficult to pull oneself out of poverty, when born into that mentality. those born with self-entitlement are a whole different breed. the sensitive ones creatives with a conscience, get mostly used or taken advantage of for our benevolence. there are takers and givers, but we should be both. rather than playing with a marked deck, where an elite few control the stock market or make the legislative rules, or bank policies, there needs to be more consideration for diversity, rather than streamlining everything to one way.
i mean, when one is subject to 30% interest on credit cards, because the bank won't lend you even micro credit at a reasonable rate, how does that allow for getting ahead? when rents supersede our incomes, how does that allow us living wages. i mean, if we even have a job. in those cases we are only one step from living on the streets off the kindness of strangers.
rockefeller and the global elite wants to cull our species to around 250 million. what do they intend to do with the other 7 billion? make one huge funeral pyre with joe in the volcano? these people are insane. they have no moral compass, there is only self-interest, and like a recidivist, once a criminal, always a criminal. you do what you know. you keep doing it, regardless of outcome, because you just like doing it. that's all i can figure. like a drug addict. how do you change their behaviour if you can't change their mind. money is the drug. if feels too good, and smells like freedom. we all wish we had more of it. we're all guilty of aiding and abetting the system that is preying off us. it's weird.
there is another way of thinking like paying it forward or gifting societies. see charles eisenstein sacred economics : http://sacred-economics.com
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Date: 2017-03-23 07:08 am (UTC)david does have lizard eyes and a hooked beak)))
humour sometimes just takes the form of absurd fantasy
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Date: 2017-03-23 01:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-03-23 02:59 am (UTC)http://www.seawapa.co/2015/05/The-Federal-Reserve-Cartel-The-Eight-Families.html
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