Trump and his team have already shown that they have a very estranged relationship with truth and reality. This article gives a taste of that - about going "full Orwell":
"We've gone full Orwell." @Sulliview (https://twitter.com/Sulliview) on what the news media faces after the Trump presidency's first weekend: https://t.co/9mR5JdYYU0 (https://t.co/9mR5JdYYU0)
— Carlos Lozada (@CarlosLozadaWP) January 22, 2017 (https://twitter.com/CarlosLozadaWP/status/823289025582821377)
We 'd prefer someone who has a grip on reality to have control of the nuclear button.
What the press has to do with anything? All we know is that Obama, willingly or not, was trying to start WWIII. Meanwhile, Trump is just trying to call out the Lying Press, including WaPost, on their lies. Those are separate issues.
If you want to avoid being labeled a fascist, you might stop using the term "the Lying Press."
Fuck you, seriously. Your jig is up. We see you. You're a liar, a fascist, and a racist. You're not here to do anything but pollute and poison this community.
I wonder if part of it is that Russians are so used to thoroughly deceptive government that they are enjoying some schadenfreude over seeing the United States government becoming more like the Russian government now.
The treatment we are getting from the Trump government is commonplace in Russian government, in delivering plain pro-government propaganda, independent of facts. Of course, all governments, including ours, are deceptive from time to time, but we have never been this bad before.
The only part that you are wrong is not Trump, but Obama. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that there is a guarantee in the future, but how you can say that when he was in office only 2 days? On the other hand, I don't remember you complaining when administration was spying on journalists (Rosen, Atkins). How about all the elections propaganda? You weren't complaining then either, or you like some journalists, thought it was OK to lie, because Trump was soooo bad?
It's true that Trump has only been in power officially for two days, but we have been getting a taste of his style and philosophy throughout the transition, and, moreover, it is consistent with the man's whole life: he has always been an unrelenting narcissist that lives under his own orange sky.
As far as "elections propaganda" goes, yeah, I don't count what is said on the campaign trail with the same weights as what is said when in office: everyone promises to save the world and glides over their shortcomings.
I'm not familiar with Rosen and Atkins, and I'll leave it for others to address them, if they want.
Tell you the truth, I really do not want hear from others.
As far as "elections propaganda" goes, yeah, I don't count what is said on the campaign trail with the same weights as what is said when in office I could somewhat agree. But, we are talking about media - they are supposed to report unbiased news and facts. And they did not. I can tell you, Pravda would be amazed the amount of lies, misinformation and propaganda during this election cycle. I am Trump supporter, but at the same time I am not a blind follower. I have no problem with criticism, if it's objective. Not the case with MSM. If you aren't happy with something Trump did, but it's no problem if Obama did the same thing, then I have a problem with that. Equally bashing both sides-I'm all in.
I can't piece together what Madame Nazi means by Atkins here, but Rosen was a journalist investigated by Obama's administration in connection with leaks. It's hard to say what we were or weren't discussing back then (for my part, I'm not sure I was part of this community). In any event, Madame Nazi is unlikely to have any actual recollection of what we may or may not have said about Obama's (admittedly problematic) spying on journalists, so her accusations on that matter should be recognized for the false-equivalence smokescreen that they are.
And that's the real issue here. Not that the Obama Administration investigated reporters. That's SOP. But that in just two days, there have been enough worrying events with the press that instantly paints anything coming out of the Trump White House suspect.
And who are you, a loving liberal? You are a psycho and the only pollution is in your head. Are you so insecure in your believes that witnessing any disagreement with you drives you to the edge? I forgot, your old recycled corrupt dirtbag lost and you need a safe space. Enjoy your safe space.
I don't have any obligation to tolerate, respect, or "love" someone who is actively working to destroy reasonable, responsible discourse with lies. It's clear you're taking your marching orders from the neo-Nazis. Go wallow with them in the muck.
I didn't say you are obligated to do anything. You and your party are the ones who are pretending to be the most tolerant and loving people: "Love trumps hate", "I choose love" - these are your party's slogan, so be kind enough to follow, or cut the BS all together. and admit that you are hateful, intolerant and outright mean.
Are a total idiot or what? Stop throwing around your Nazi card around - it's isn't even amusing anymore.
I'm perfectly willing to engage people who don't agree with me, who have contrary points of view. You're not one of those people. You're someone who will repeat known lies and distortions in order to promote a fascist point of view. You don't actually care to have a real discussion or discuss any point of view. You're just here to lie, lie, and lie.
I don't feel like I really need to educate you on this - because I'm sure you already know where you got this term - but "Lying Press" is a more-than-coincidental adoption of the same term the Nazis used to describe the press, in order to promote their own propaganda. You're a shit person for using that term and the Nazis' methods.
To be fair, oslo and I agree on almost nothing, and we both like to use personal attacks as part of our arguments, and he has never had any problem with arguing with me in this community. I imagine, were we to meet in person, we'd gladly argue in much the same way over a beer.
The idea is to argue in good faith. You have to actually be providing points FOR your stance and AGAINST the other person's stance that make logical sense. I haven't seen much of that from Mrs. Hat.
I am sorry, I should of said Fake News, not Lying Media. That probably would make you happy- would fit the framework feeding you. By the way my grandfather was killed fighting real Nazis. But brainless morons like you just through around words like that without any shame. Before repeating the garbage that your leaders and your media feed you, try to pause for a minute and think, then open your filthy mouth. I am sorry that you are so upset, just go hug a pillow and cry. And don't ever think that you the only one who knows how to insult.
If you really had any relatives fighting "real Nazis" (which I doubt), then you're shaming their memory by being such an enthusiast for Nazi techniques.
Why do you doubt, genius? Don't you know many million of European died fighting real Nazis? Let me send you the picture of "medal of courage" I inherited, maybe then you will not have doubts. What the heck do you know about Nazi techniques? I doubt that anything.
I doubt your truthfulness. I find it highly likely that you would spuriously claim to have had family who fought Nazis, just so you can try to embarrass me here. For instance, here, you could easily just post a google-searched image of this "medal of courage" you're talking about. I would have little basis for comparison, and because I don't know Russian, I wouldn't be able to assess for myself whether what you posted was, indeed, a "medal of courage" or even of Russian origin.
For what it's worth, my own family emigrated from Poland and Lithuania in the 20th century, so you're not the only one with a heritage implicated here.
What I know of Nazi techniques I know from reading the histories. I know how Hitler ascended to power and the propaganda techniques used by his lieutenants. I also know that the most prominent American figures currently espousing a white nationalist and genocidal view openly calls the American media the "Lügenpresse," which is the same term the Nazis used to refer to German media, in order to discredit them and convince Germans to trust only Nazi-approved media/propaganda.
Since I know that, I know also that supporters of this white nationalist view are not above blatantly lying about their intentions or about themselves. They absolutely would claim to have family who fought against Nazis, as a way of deflecting against being neo-Nazis themselves, even if that were completely untrue. Since you're keen of their language, I can only surmise you're likely to be keen of their techniques.
Tolerance is not a suicide-pact. It is a peace treaty agreeing to a mutual level of basic respect. It does not mean "I will be nice to you no matter how low you sink or what lies you tell." All treaties are invalid the moment one side breaks them, and the kind of lying nonsense you spread in here shows blatant disrespect for those with whom you disagree. People like Oslo need not apologize for recognizing that the treaty has been broken, and responding accordingly, so take your accusations of hypocrisy elsewhere, along with your rationalizations for fascists.
Right. I mean, we at some point have to recognize that bad-faith interlocutors like Madame Nazi will use our commitment to rational discourse against us. I have spent many hours trying to have good-faith discussions with Madame Nazi, despite her frequent reliance on personal insults, goalpost-shifting, false equivalences, blatant obfuscation, etc. Bad-faith interlocutors rely on receiving this kind of undeserved respect; it allows them to peddle their nonsense while they are treated like real people.
I have no real interest in dispensing with that treatment here, to be honest; but her clear adoption of the term "Lying Press" - a term currently being used by avowed neo-Nazis to describe the media - makes her agenda too clear to ignore. She is no longer entitled to the presumption of good faith a community like this relies on.
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We 'd prefer someone who has a grip on reality to have control of the nuclear button.
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Fuck you, seriously. Your jig is up. We see you. You're a liar, a fascist, and a racist. You're not here to do anything but pollute and poison this community.
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As far as "elections propaganda" goes, yeah, I don't count what is said on the campaign trail with the same weights as what is said when in office: everyone promises to save the world and glides over their shortcomings.
I'm not familiar with Rosen and Atkins, and I'll leave it for others to address them, if they want.
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As far as "elections propaganda" goes, yeah, I don't count what is said on the campaign trail with the same weights as what is said when in office
I could somewhat agree. But, we are talking about media - they are supposed to report unbiased news and facts. And they did not. I can tell you, Pravda would be amazed the amount of lies, misinformation and propaganda during this election cycle. I am Trump supporter, but at the same time I am not a blind follower. I have no problem with criticism, if it's objective. Not the case with MSM. If you aren't happy with something Trump did, but it's no problem if Obama did the same thing, then I have a problem with that. Equally bashing both sides-I'm all in.
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And why would you? We're losing patience for your shit.
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Not that the Obama Administration investigated reporters. That's SOP.
But that in just two days, there have been enough worrying events with the press that instantly paints anything coming out of the Trump White House suspect.
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I forgot, your old recycled corrupt dirtbag lost and you need a safe space. Enjoy your safe space.
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"Love trumps hate", "I choose love" - these are your party's slogan, so be kind enough to follow, or cut the BS all together. and admit that you are hateful, intolerant and outright mean.
Are a total idiot or what? Stop throwing around your Nazi card around - it's isn't even amusing anymore.
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I don't feel like I really need to educate you on this - because I'm sure you already know where you got this term - but "Lying Press" is a more-than-coincidental adoption of the same term the Nazis used to describe the press, in order to promote their own propaganda. You're a shit person for using that term and the Nazis' methods.
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The idea is to argue in good faith. You have to actually be providing points FOR your stance and AGAINST the other person's stance that make logical sense. I haven't seen much of that from Mrs. Hat.
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By the way my grandfather was killed fighting real Nazis. But brainless morons like you just through around words like that without any shame. Before repeating the garbage that your leaders and your media feed you, try to pause for a minute and think, then open your filthy mouth.
I am sorry that you are so upset, just go hug a pillow and cry. And don't ever think that you the only one who knows how to insult.
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For what it's worth, my own family emigrated from Poland and Lithuania in the 20th century, so you're not the only one with a heritage implicated here.
What I know of Nazi techniques I know from reading the histories. I know how Hitler ascended to power and the propaganda techniques used by his lieutenants. I also know that the most prominent American figures currently espousing a white nationalist and genocidal view openly calls the American media the "Lügenpresse," which is the same term the Nazis used to refer to German media, in order to discredit them and convince Germans to trust only Nazi-approved media/propaganda.
Since I know that, I know also that supporters of this white nationalist view are not above blatantly lying about their intentions or about themselves. They absolutely would claim to have family who fought against Nazis, as a way of deflecting against being neo-Nazis themselves, even if that were completely untrue. Since you're keen of their language, I can only surmise you're likely to be keen of their techniques.
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I have no real interest in dispensing with that treatment here, to be honest; but her clear adoption of the term "Lying Press" - a term currently being used by avowed neo-Nazis to describe the media - makes her agenda too clear to ignore. She is no longer entitled to the presumption of good faith a community like this relies on.
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I am incredibly tired of her b.s., and it's lovely to see her being called on it.