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Found these on a thread about Glenn Grothman:

On Tuesday, Wisconsin Congresscritter Glenn Grothman (R-His mom's basement) accidentally told the truth about the voter suppression laws he helped pass in Wisconsin. He point blank said that the voter suppression laws would help Republicans in the fall during the presidential election.

On Thursday, WITI-TV caught up with Grothman and asked him about his comments on the voter suppression law. Grothman said that he didn't understand what the big deal was:


Grothman said he doesn't seen anything controversial when it comes to comments he made to a Milwaukee television reporter on Tuesday, April 5th.

"I don't know what's controversial about it. It surprises me that anybody would object to those comments," said Grothman.


Grothman then went on to say that when he said it would help Republicans, he really meant that it would help Republican voters feel better about voting. What he didn't say was that the Republican voters would feel better for two reasons. One, they would know that the elections were fixed. Secondly, they wouldn't have to deal with black people, poor people or and other sort of undesirables.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/04/grothman-confused-about-controversy-over

Date: 2016-04-09 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
How's this all that diff from when a GOPer in PA that voter ID would turn PA red in the fall? Pretty sure that happened around the 2012 election too.

Anyone who thinks voter ID laws are some sort of non-partisan thing is either: a) not paying attention b) lying.

As a note: I'm OK with voter ID laws **in theory**, much like I'm ok with the death penalty **in theory** but I know that theory and practice don't work the same way, and the practice of both creates systemic injustice in the world, and we should avoid creating that whenever possible.

Date: 2016-04-10 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
> Anyone who thinks voter ID laws are some sort of non-partisan thing is
> either a) not paying attention b) lying.

I think lots of folks know they are 'partisan', but still consider them legitimate and 'right', because they are c) internalizing the values.


If you steep yourself in a political culture that explains away its share of losses by imagining systematic voter fraud, its not a big step to convince yourself that voter fraud is something only the evil-other-side does, and indeed is the only reason that those naer-do-wells achieve any success at all. So, there's no cognitive dissonance when you tell yourself that such laws are simultaneously legitimate, and will inevitably help your side... because your side are the valiant, clear eyed and honest heroes, plagued by the dark hordes of triple voting layabouts that Voter ID laws will neuter.

Sure, it started as a cynical strategy, but its now being welded into the belief system.

Date: 2016-04-10 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
My own theory on why conservatives are in favor of voter ID laws, despite the ways they skew turnout and electoral outcomes, is that they are in fact fine with this kind of distortion. They view winning elections the way that we might view winning a game - as long as the rules apply to everyone and as long as the rules are followed, whatever result occurs is acceptable. And if the results tend to skew in their favor - well, isn't that convenient?

That's why so much of the rhetoric is - doesn't everyone have a state-issued ID? And if you can't be bothered to get one, why should we worry about you? It doesn't matter if there's clear research demonstrating how these restrictions - however morally justifiable they might be on an individual basis - tend to disfranchise exponentially more voters than the fraudulent voting attempts they prevent. That kind of evidence, on their view, is almost entirely beside the point.

It will take years and years of reporting on election-day frustrations and difficulties before we even start to budge the way that conservatives view these restrictions. Until that happens, they'll continue to assume that voter ID laws impose no significant burden on voters that they shouldn't be able to deal with.

Date: 2016-04-10 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
Males me think of...

"Alabama now demands one liter of Semen as the only valid voter ID."

Well... Here you go...

- Oh heavens we dont WANT the stuff.

But it took me FOREVER to fill that jug!

- Well throw it away.

Why did you ask for it?

- We just wanted to be sure you were SERIOUS about voting!

(Posting from mobile)

Date: 2016-04-11 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackdwarv.livejournal.com
Or say, the "literacy tests" back in the day that required you to name all 435 House of Representative members (and what districts).

Scary thing? People passed that test.

Date: 2016-04-09 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Grothman then went on to say that when he said it would help Republicans, he really meant that it would help Republican voters feel better about voting.

Sounds like his qualification is meant to as legal protection.
Great pieces too.

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