On September 27, 2014, the Aceh provincial parliament approved the Principles of the Islamic Bylaw and the Islamic criminal code (Qanun Jinayah), which create new discriminatory offenses that do not exist in the Indonesian national criminal code (Hukum Pidana). The bylaws extend Sharia, or Islamic law, to non-Muslims, which criminalize consensual same-sex sexual acts as well as all zina (sexual relations outside of marriage). The criminal code permits as punishment up to 100 lashes and up to 100 months in prison for consensual same-sex sex acts, while zina violations carry a penalty of 100 lashes.
You are on the side of homophobes now. Great! First of all, I said: "Tell me, which Islamic country has a governing system that is compatible with our constitution?", not a country populated by muslims. Secondly, each law is part of whole governing system. You can have totally democratic system with a law that says 'nobody can be of any other religion, but islam', which was, let's say, passed by general referendum. This still would be incompatible with OUR constitution, correct?
Yes, I realize now you were asking a very leading question. But it's an uninformed question too (i.e. how many countries in the West even have a constitutional democracy exactly like our own? Even the UK, our political forebears. have a form of democracy that wouldn't be comparable to ours.) In fact, if not all, most Western Democracies have nothing like our two party system
Indonesia is still Islamic country that is a constitutional democracy.
First of all, I said: "Tell me, which Islamic country has a governing system that is compatible with our constitution?", not a country populated by muslims.
Who is talking 'exactly'? COMPATIBLE is the word. From the other hand, according to constitution, only natural born citizen can apply for president's job. Why is that? For no reason?
Your question makes absolutely no sense. Let me educate you. There are secular countries populated with majority muslims, Turkey e.g., and countries that are based on Islamic laws, like Islamic republic of Iran. It is also true, that even secular countries are heavily influenced by the religious worldview of the majority of population, like US by Judea-Christian values. This makes the representative of any other religion incompatible to govern the country. Let me emphasize that we are talking about people who really are religious.
Don't get hung on constitution democracy, because that all means that the country has constitution approved by population. That constitution can include 'convert or die'. Any other questions?
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Date: 2015-09-27 10:48 pm (UTC)Acknowledged as fully democratic by both Freedom House and Economist democracy indexes.
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Date: 2015-09-28 01:25 am (UTC)On September 27, 2014, the Aceh provincial parliament approved the Principles of the Islamic Bylaw and the Islamic criminal code (Qanun Jinayah), which create new discriminatory offenses that do not exist in the Indonesian national criminal code (Hukum Pidana). The bylaws extend Sharia, or Islamic law, to non-Muslims, which criminalize consensual same-sex sexual acts as well as all zina (sexual relations outside of marriage). The criminal code permits as punishment up to 100 lashes and up to 100 months in prison for consensual same-sex sex acts, while zina violations carry a penalty of 100 lashes.
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Date: 2015-09-28 03:59 am (UTC)Tell me, which Islamic country has a governing system that is compatible with our constitution?
I took your question to refer to GOVERNING SYSTEM ( a constitutional democracy), not specific laws.
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Date: 2015-09-28 11:45 pm (UTC)First of all, I said: "Tell me, which Islamic country has a governing system that is compatible with our constitution?", not a country populated by muslims. Secondly, each law is part of whole governing system. You can have totally democratic system with a law that says 'nobody can be of any other religion, but islam', which was, let's say, passed by general referendum. This still would be incompatible with OUR constitution, correct?
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Date: 2015-09-29 01:48 am (UTC)No, I'm not on your side.
Yes, I realize now you were asking a very leading question. But it's an uninformed question too (i.e. how many countries in the West even have a constitutional democracy exactly like our own? Even the UK, our political forebears. have a form of democracy that wouldn't be comparable to ours.) In fact, if not all, most Western Democracies have nothing like our two party system
Indonesia is still Islamic country that is a constitutional democracy.
First of all, I said: "Tell me, which Islamic country has a governing system that is compatible with our constitution?", not a country populated by muslims.
Your question makes absolutely no sense.
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Date: 2015-09-29 02:35 am (UTC)Who is talking 'exactly'? COMPATIBLE is the word. From the other hand, according to constitution, only natural born citizen can apply for president's job. Why is that? For no reason?
Your question makes absolutely no sense.
Let me educate you. There are secular countries populated with majority muslims, Turkey e.g., and countries that are based on Islamic laws, like Islamic republic of Iran. It is also true, that even secular countries are heavily influenced by the religious worldview of the majority of population, like US by Judea-Christian values. This makes the representative of any other religion incompatible to govern the country. Let me emphasize that we are talking about people who really are religious.
Don't get hung on constitution democracy, because that all means that the country has constitution approved by population. That constitution can include 'convert or die'. Any other questions?
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