Meanwhile, in Kentucky

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

The next to the last cartoon is actually inaccurate; churches like the one Davis attends don't use wine for communion and don't approve of those that do. But I thought it was just too funny not to use it!

Comments

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

I feel bad for that woman, she was willing to do the work of other flight attendants while they did the serving instead, she wasn't making all the other attendants refuse to serve it too. I hope she can fight the suspension.

[garote]

I don't feel bad for her at all. One of my teenage jobs was at a fast food joint. Working the grill was the worst station in the place. If I refused to work the grill because I didn't like touching meat, it would be perfectly sensible for my manager to discipline or even fire me. Any other outcome would be at the manager's discretion ONLY, not fodder for some mob-based internet shaming campaign.

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

First, I didn't shame the airline nor did I go to any extreme that I can see.

Second we make religious accommodations all the time under Title VII.

http://www.lc.org/resources/workplace.htm

She had an accommodation in place for her but then a coworker complained citing that she had a funny foreign book and wore a head dressing in that complaint. After that complaint, she was suspended.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0908/Muslim-flight-attendant-suspended-for-not-serving-alcohol.-Discrimination


http://www.wbtv.com/story/29994265/muslim-flight-attendant-says-she-was-wrongly-suspended

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/07/muslim-flight-attendant-suspended/71852754/

[fieryphoenix.livejournal.com]

The problem I see with that is that it still imposes extra logistics and restrictions on the airline. They have to work around her to make sure that there are enough people on each flight to serve alcohol. It works for one person, perhaps, but the precedent it sets doesn't work in greater numbers. Even with one teetotaler, they lose a versatility they'd otherwise have, and I think it's a versatility that's very reasonable for them to expect from their employees.

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

We make religious accommodations all the time under Title VII.

http://www.lc.org/resources/workplace.htm

She had an accommodation in place for her but then a coworker complained citing that she had a funny foreign book and wore a head dressing in that complaint. After that complaint, she was suspended.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0908/Muslim-flight-attendant-suspended-for-not-serving-alcohol.-Discrimination


http://www.wbtv.com/story/29994265/muslim-flight-attendant-says-she-was-wrongly-suspended

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/07/muslim-flight-attendant-suspended/71852754/

[garote]

And the problem is...?

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

I am very sorry that you had a miserable work experience. I am sorry that if (I don't know if you asked or not) you asked to be moved from the station and if they told you no, that would make for a very hostile work environment. I am sorry you still carry some of that frustration and resentment with you. I hope you find peace with it.

(no I am not trying to be mean or sarcastic. Please do not take it that way. I am genuinely sorry you had to go through that.)

[garote]

To tell you the truth, it was frustrating at the time, but everything was frustrating because I was a teenager and predisposed to assume that everything was personal and emotionally driven. It took me an entire year after I left that job to realize what the manager wasn't telling me: They tended to divide the genders between the grill and the cash registers, giving the men more grill time and the women more register time, because the men complained less about being burned by grease and coming home stinking of meat, and the women were generally more ingratiating to the customers at the register.

If anyone confronted them about what they were doing they would surely have denied it, and it would have been difficult to prove in court, as well as risky for whatever employee attempted it - not that it would have gone that far because of the arbitration clause we all signed.

I am divided on my feelings about this. On the one hand, the way management tended to divide the sexes was based in statistical fact. The women generally DID do better than the men at the counter. The men generally DID care less about the grease and heat at the grill. On the other hand, it could be argued that by setting the stations this way by default, it was unequal work for equal pay. (I couldn't say who had it worse, since dealing with impatient, irate, or lecherous customers could be even more uncomfortable than working the grill.)

But what I'm willing to bet on is, if a manager told you to work the grill that day, and you said, "I refuse - it's the register or nothing," the manager would start leaving you out of the schedule and your work hours would dry up. If you tried to negotiate some swap with other employees and one of them complained, you'd be out for sure. You can get laid off or fired for being a pain in the ass to management. And you know what; now that I've been in a couple managerial positions, I think that's an acceptable outcome.

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

Neither of us is wrong. I wasn't arguing with you in the above comment. We just both look at the situation very differently and have different management styles.

[garote]

So yeah, I am at peace with it. I'm not without sympathy for Charee's situation but neither am I willing to take her side. If she changed her job 3 years ago and her religion 1 year ago, and they conflict and she can't work it out peacefully with her workmates, she can just change one or the other again. Instead, she's lawyered up, and now devout lifelong muslims who have been peacefully trying to integrate with western society for god knows how long have a poster-child for their efforts who, from their point of view, is trying out the faith like a pair of shoes. Is that a great outcome? Will it generate a great outcome?

I'm also interested to know how she managed to get a transcript of the complaint the unidentified co-worker made that forms the basis of her lawsuit. This is probably going to be Ferguson all over again and in three months we'll get a bunch of court transcripts to argue over and cherry-pick, and the cycle will repeat itself, for all of us..

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

ok.

[rose-cat.livejournal.com]

The first one is golden.

[catlin.livejournal.com]

I really do love that they are getting sued by survivor for one and a half million dollars, for use of the song without permission. You would really think these guys would learn

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

I know! When I heard about the lawsuit, I was like:



AND

[joshthevegan.livejournal.com]

And now R.E.M. is probably going to sue Trump and Cruz for using "It's the End of the World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)". It's a nonstop thing with these people. Right wingers need to come to terms that they get Charlie Daniels, Ted Nugent, and Limp Bizkit. Choose wisely, guys.

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

The best is how Huckabee is loudly proclaiming that he's willing to go to jail in her place.

Something that will never happen, could never legally happen, is not allowed to happen for countless reasons.

How brave of him to pretend to be willing to be such a martyr for the cause!

Excuse me while I go vomit.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

It would be more impressive to see him go and face off against ISIS.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

That first vegan one would kill me, too!

[joshthevegan.livejournal.com]

Tofu Scramble is a delicious thing and shouldn't be scoffed at!

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

That certainly looks ... interesting. I just think it's too late for me to take on a major lifestyle change, even though my health could sure use it.

[garote]

Agreed... That stuff is delicious. I used to carry it to work slapped between two pieces of toast with some veganaise, at least once a week!!

[joshthevegan.livejournal.com]

It's easily my favorite breakfast food of all times. It's so darned versatile! And vegnaise? Don't get me started!

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

LOL I love the caricature of her current husband in that last cartoon.

[garote]

That's her husband? I thought that was an artistic rendition of Mike Huckabee...

[fieryphoenix.livejournal.com]

The one in the hat is supposed to be her husband.

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Huckabee's on the left (her right), and the guy in the bib overalls and hat is her husband. It's a great caricature, especially the way they captured EXACTLY what he was wearing!

He couldn't have looked MORE like everybody's idea of a sterotypical hick/redneck if he was TRYING. It was almost kind of surreal!

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

Seriously, he is the first person I have seen in overalls in such a long time. LOL.

[hindustar.livejournal.com]

Her husband. =)

[garote]

Oh dear.... This story just keeps getting better

[bennuheron.livejournal.com]

With "Heroes" like Davis and Huckabee, who needs Villains?