LOL

[interdictor.livejournal.com]

"Fine! Let's teach them a lesson! We'll strike and show them how badly they need us!"

A few days later:



"Shit."

Source: http://filmingcops.com/policing-comes-to-a-stop-in-new-york-people-get-along-peacefully-and-society-continues/

Comments

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm not seeing the problem. Maybe we can cut the police force by a third while we are at it. We may be onto something here.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Don't be fooled. Don't forget in the libertarian ideal world, if you got robbed, you're SOL unless you can hire some private mercs to get yo shit back.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

I take your point, and I am not going libertarian, but I think we have been over-policing for a while. We definitely need to rollback the militarization of the fuzz, for instance - they are not soldiers in a war zone.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Oh, for sure. I am not a support of militarized police or the over-use of them. But as a sane person, I also don't trust humans enough to say elimination of the police, en total, is a good idea. Not that they helped me any when being robbed on the subway--but I don't think subways would be safer if the NYPD shrunk to 10 people.

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with all of this.

[interdictor.livejournal.com]

Exactly. People can't be trusted until you give them badges, guns, and the ability to dominate others and investigate themselves for any wrongdoing. That's like totally what a sane person would think!

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

The libertarian ideal includes a public police force that, among other things, protects private property rights.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

Correction: a "public police force" is consistent with many versions of the "libertarian ideal," but this is far from a universally held position. I'm sure plenty of libertarians' "ideal" world would not include a public police force.

There's also an irony here in that "private property rights" are treated as some sort of separately-existing entity that don't assume the existence of a state, but we already know that point is above your pay-grade.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

That graphic is woefully un-helpful given how much critical data is missing.

Oh, it's from the New York Post?

I am Jack's total lack of surprise.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

NY Times is using this same data. The comparison is over the same week long period from last year. Given that Lynch has been saying that the PBA officers will only arrest when "necessary" because of the situation in the city one has to ask just the hell how many unnecessary arrests do they do normally?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

The data seems to be quite universal--although a number of sources I have seen cite the NYP article, as their source for the data. The NYP can be correct, but so can Glen Beck.

I also wonder how the ending of stop-n-frisk changes the numbers. I mean, they are comparing this week to last year, but what about comparing any other week after the (more or less) ending of the Bloomberg era stop-n-frisk? I mean, the lack of nuance in the data is unsurprising given the source--and sure--the way that Lynch and the PBA have been behaving is no good. The article headline that caught my eye was:

"If this is how the NYPD treats their white mayor while in the public eye, how do you think they treat a black man when the cameras are off?"

That and the stories of black NYPD officers facing harassment when off duty. Cause clearly, those thugs were up to no good.....ಠ_ಠ

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

Nearly 90% of stop and frisk stops did not even yield a offense worthy of a ticket, so I cannot say how curtailing it impacted these stats.

What the NYPD is probably not doing is issuing tickets to people daring to sit across two subway seats at 2am or arresting turnstile jumpers. Broken windows with the never admitted but yes they exist quotas leads to that becoming a disturbingly large portion of their work.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I thought the NYPD was forced to admit quotas existed during the stop n frisk trial. Didn't one NYPD officer record his CO instructing him to get "20-and-1" (meaning 20 summons and 1 arrest)??

As I recall, the NYPD did own up to it, and their legal defense was fantastic:

"Officers are lazy, and without quotas, they'd just sit in their squad cars doing nothing" (light paraphrase, but the gist of, officers are lazy was definitely in there)

EDIT: to add, I once got a ticket for taking up 2 spaces on a subway. It was a mostly empty car. Fucking quotas.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Such a cute Tumblr: http://savingroomforcats.tumblr.com/

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

And sure, 90% yielded nothing, but when the NYPD engaged in thousands or tens of thousands of them a year (hundreds of thousands?) even a 1 in 10 rate, will get a decent number of summons.

[interdictor.livejournal.com]

"...one has to ask just the hell how many unnecessary arrests do they do normally?"

The real purpose of the police is to terrify and rob the common folk on behalf of the State.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

You have somehow peered into the "true purpose" of things, and you know better than the rest. Your attitude is really just swell.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Ha I knew that shit would come around and bite them in the ass.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Does it? I don't understand. Could you help highlight how this is biting them in the ass?

I mean, NYPD ain't gonna lose pay cause the city does.....unless I am missing something epic.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Because some could view this as the cops working themselves out of a job, since this is providing a really good justification for lowering the number of cops in NYC, especially given the lower crime rates (at historic lows now).

There are nearly 50,000 NYPD. Canada by comparison, has about 68, 500 active military for the ENTIRE country.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

50K? Last I heard was 35K. Either way--I doubt this will hurt their job prospects.

Less overtime maybe, but I doubt this week of "work-slowdown" (since its clearly not a strike) will result in the dept., any officers, or even any brass, having any skin come off their nose. I really don't see it happening--but time will tell.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

50K? Last I heard was 35K.
Employees 49,526 (2013) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department)

I really don't see it happening--but time will tell.

Less overtime maybe, but I doubt this week of "work-slowdown" (since its clearly not a strike) will result in the dept., any officers, or even any brass, having any skin come off their nose. I really don't see it happening--but time will tell.

Some of those cops have really thick skin, so they will be fine, no doubt.
And that's the beauty of time, it will always tell!

[bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com]

I dunno, I think they'll care about the nearly 95% loss in income from parking tickets.

[planet-x-zero.livejournal.com]

I would have been happy to see a transit cop take down the menacing panhandler on the L train yesterday. Then again, I could do without bullshit riding-my-bicycle-on-the-sidewalk summonses in the middle of nowhere brooklyn, when it gets to be riding weather.

Tough call.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

You're off the L train too???

I've honestly never had trouble with panhandlers on the L. The F and Q, IMO, have worse pan-handlers. (That said, the Q is still my jam)

[planet-x-zero.livejournal.com]

Yeah, me too. But I never had anyone like the guy yesterday since the bad old days in the early 90's. Lived in the city my whole life. Grew up on the F, saw some crazy shit over the years, but never any real violence.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

You know Sunny? "If you don't have it, I understand, cause I don't have it."

Guys been panhandling that train for decade+

[cinnamontoast.livejournal.com]

The F train was the worst for panhandlers and very smelly homeless people in the '80s and early '90s. The panhandlers got so aggressive that I switched to the R train to get to work. It took longer, but I always got a seat and the panhandlers were minimal.

I was on the E this happened (http://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/23/nyregion/2-police-officers-wounded-in-a-subway-shootout.html). In one of the middle cars. It was scary. Then it was sad.

Edit: a word

[bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com]

Oh man, but the breakdancers.

[planet-x-zero.livejournal.com]

Heh. The breakdancers came in just after the panhandler. Lightened up the mood, although I swear they're going to kick someone in the face with all the moves on the poles.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

There is a trumpet player, at 8 AM on the Q train, LOUDLY playing Herb Albert tunes along with his portable Karaoke system.

Lord have mercy, I almost saw a fight break out when a passenger shoved the trumpet player away. Haha, Maestro Trumpet player has a hat hanging from the bell, you know, to make those EASY donations.

[zanganito.livejournal.com]

I could do without bullshit riding-my-bicycle-on-the-sidewalk summonses in the middle of nowhere brooklyn, when it gets to be riding weather.


I had a cop yell at me for attempting to make a completely legal left hand turn while riding my bike. He told me to ride on the sidewalk. :/

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I've heard cars yell the same shit when I'm in the road (ie. "GET OFF THE ROAD! USE THE SIDEWALK!") . I would scream back at them, but that never helps.

Cops are not lawyers.

[madscience.livejournal.com]

The NYPD has really fucked themselves this time. If the city falls apart, then they'll look bad for letting the city fall apart while they threw a tantrum. And if the city doesn't fall apart, then people will be right to ask what they're paying the cops for in the first place.