Date: 2014-07-23 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I've had people I know telling me the Jews have been there continuously for 4,000 years and besides, God gave it to them.

I thought the U.N. did.

Date: 2014-07-24 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
The Jews kept getting thrown out - Babylonians, Romans, Nazis, what have you.

God likes to chasten his chosen people.

Date: 2014-07-24 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittymink.livejournal.com
The Jews outlasted the Babylonians, kicked out the Selucids and kicked out the Romans - once - when the Romans came back we weren't so lucky. I think at that point however there were more Jews in the rest of the Roman Empire than there were in Judea.

The Nazis didn't occupy Palestine in ww2. The British did. They and the Arabs don't have the best history with the Jews during that period though.

Date: 2014-07-24 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
The Nazis were not cruel to Jews in Palestine, true, I suppose, but there was still some antipathy. After WWII, I just think it was felt that it was the time and opportunity to let the Jews have their own state and determine their own fate.

Date: 2014-07-24 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittymink.livejournal.com
The Nazis weren't cruel to Jews in Palestine simply because they weren't there. Otherwise they would have been.

Date: 2014-07-25 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
They did Nazi this coming.

Date: 2014-07-25 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com
Aaaaaaargh! Ba-dump-bump

Date: 2014-07-24 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
The UN didn't really give it to them, the UN set up a partitioned jewish state inside of Palestine so the Arabs and the jewish immigrants wouldn't keep murdering each other. It wasn't until a year later that the Jews declared the entire area to be Israel. The UN didn't have anything to do with that. And the UN didn't give the Jews the area, it was mostly from illegal immigration.

Date: 2014-07-24 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
And now we pretend there never was a Palestine.

Date: 2014-07-24 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
The British were actively trying to prevent Jewish settlers trying to get to Palestine (the area was under British control at the time), and that's the opening scene in the movie "Exodus (http://youtu.be/ySvaWWYGbq0)," which details a lot of the circumstances for Israel declaring its independence. The music in the OP's video is from Exodus' soundtrack.

Date: 2014-07-25 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm glad someone else has read it, and liked it.

I've seen it mentioned on LJ that Uris' novel was prompted by an Israeli PR firm to get American support for Israel boosted. That meme has been debunked.

The movie was great too. Here's the opening scene where the British were actively detaining Jewish immigrants from Palestine. (Sorry I thought I had embedded this earlier)

Edited Date: 2014-07-25 01:00 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-07-25 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I've heard that was really good.

Date: 2014-07-24 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
It wasn't until a year later that the Jews declared the entire area to be Israel


Anything significant happen in that year?

Clue, for context...

Image

Date: 2014-07-24 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
This is pretty well done.

Date: 2014-07-24 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I thought you'd recognize it. ;)

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