Immigration Crisis
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The New Republic has a nice article on what people, the kids, are trying to leave behind - the lords of Kentucky Fried Chicken and Beer and the new rich of the drug gangs: "Guatemalans Aren't Just Fleeing Gangs" by Saul Elbein
Actually, some people might regard what they are trying to leave as a libertarian paradise and a gun utopia.
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Date: 2014-07-15 02:53 am (UTC)Also, I think Europe would probably say they have a bit of a border/immigration crisis, pretty much anywhere with food does.
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Date: 2014-07-15 03:04 am (UTC)Get some laser tat remover to donate services and see how many takers there are. Seriously.
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Date: 2014-07-15 03:18 am (UTC)If there are any computer scientists among them,
we might keep them,
but other than that ...
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Date: 2014-07-15 03:52 pm (UTC)As I understand it, the folks with computer skills (like programmers and engineers - not just support) are some of the people complaining the loudest about immigration right now. Their salaries are being lowballed so that medium to large companies can sponsor immigrants who will work for half what they used to command.
I don't have the data to back that up, just loads of comments I've read on techie type message forums. Just a trend I've noticed. It might be blather, but it's a lot of different comments in a lot of different environments. It makes me glad that I don't work for some massive corporation. There's absolutely no job security unless you are upper echelon.
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Date: 2014-07-15 12:08 am (UTC)If corporations are people, and I incorporate bread (into myself) then aren't I a people? (https://twitter.com/ProBirdRights)
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Date: 2014-07-15 02:11 am (UTC)will reconcile them either.
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Date: 2014-07-15 12:16 am (UTC)Guatemala had several rounds of ethnic cleansings in the late 1980s and early 1990s, which were horrific. The military junta leader at that time, Efrain Rios Montt, was recently put on trial and found guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity.
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Date: 2014-07-15 12:18 am (UTC)but I guess it is a little too little.
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Date: 2014-07-15 12:18 am (UTC)As a generally liberal democrat, I'd love to help and see the need for help, but as a realistic human, I also understand that just because hands are out that doesn't mean that we have anything to put in them.
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Date: 2014-07-15 12:23 am (UTC)it is rather bottled up at the top.
At the same time, it's not like the problems down south
happened without us at all. I'm not sure what we can do about it,
but there is arguably some moral responsibility there,
so that it is not a matter of just refusing to be charitable.
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Date: 2014-07-15 11:34 pm (UTC)Bingo. Believe it or not, the biggest impact we've had is the direct result of farm subsidies. We grow too much corn because we are encouraging farmers to grow too much corn. The excess that would collapse the corn market is then shipped all over the world as "food aid," even to places that had a drought years ago but are fine now.
Ah, but what farmer in his or her right mind would grow food when free food is being supplied? The price collapse of corn south of the border drives the multi-generational corn farmers north to look for work.
Personally, I think people near the top know this, and persist in the subsidies simply to provide the country with cheap labor. A constant source of said labor is key to keeping the labor unions here quiet and toothless.
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Date: 2014-07-15 02:06 am (UTC)There's really no good way for this border crisis to end. :(
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Date: 2014-07-15 02:59 am (UTC)they just have a special voodoo about them.
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Date: 2014-07-16 02:55 am (UTC)That's the step I know. I'm still trying to figure out the whole conflation between that simplifying conceptualization and the argument that, in terms of deficits and budget policy, we don't have to worry about deficit-increasing tax cuts as much as deficit-increasing spending.
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Date: 2014-07-16 01:11 pm (UTC)If only one can put all this things in one chain of not necessarily directly connected events: illegals->failed overpriced healthcare->failing education->low minimum wages->amount of liberal voting people ->crafts fake cheese production-> 7-30 million illegals in US. I do understand that this amount of poor educated with bad health people have nothing to do with our economic crisis, but they don’t make it better either.
I do understand those who vote liberal, they want better conditions no matter for who, for Americans or whoever already live here, but do they understand that funds amount didn’t change, it just amount of people has increased? I guess it is time to change laws and policies, and 3.7 billion it is just a temporary fix.
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