Immigration Crisis

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

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[dexeron.livejournal.com]

The second one is more accurate than the first. While I applaud the Dream Act, Obama's administration has been just as deportation happy as any previous, and in fact he's been advocating to make deportations easier and faster.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

The system does not have enough flexibility for this kind of influx,
and aside from a few liberal circles, I don't think there is much political 'win'
here to do anything but to make those kids disappear as fast as they can.

It's ugly, but ...

[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

We might as well annex Mexico.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

There's been some talk of letting Mexico
have Texas back, along with more southwestern territory
that was originally theirs.

[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

That's ridiculous. Manifest Destiny: not only from East to West, but from North to South! We don't even have to change the name: the United States of America.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

But do you want a white country or not?

Sometimes you have to choose between principles.

[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

I don't care about a white country.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Some people do.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

No true Americans though
Those who want an all white America make the statue of liberty cry...

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I think his tongue was in cheek with that question....

And annexing Mexico would tough
Cartels would have to compete with corporations
Corps do no want that kin of competition

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

The problem is that Texas won it's independence from Mexico, and was a Republic before becoming part of the U.S. (same with California). Kinda like Mexico won it's independence from Spain (hence Cinco De Mayo). I Suppose we could give back Arizona, and All of New Mexico, except for the part we actually paid for.

Just for the record, this "children crisis" isn't about Mexico. The vast majoprity are coming from further south.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

(Actual Mexican Independence day is Sept 27th)

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

There's been some talk of letting Mexico
have Texas back

To be fair, I think that's mostly just me.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

...make those kids disappear as fast as they can.

I'm sure we could make some kind of deal with Argentina on that.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Owww, I don't think anyone wants them dead - just gone.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

I don't think they care either way.

Besides, it's hard to make another try at the border if they're dead.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

just as deportation happy as any previous

OTOH, like with the increased pot busts, he has a proportionally bigger issue to deal with than prior potus.

But they wouldn't throw Malia and Sasha back on the bus.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

REPUBLICANS SO ANGUISHED ABOUT BORDER CHILDREN, THEY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THEY DO NOTHING ABOUT IT (http://wonkette.com/553798/republicans-so-anguished-about-border-children-they-will-not-stop-until-they-do-nothing-about-it#eojtzMWW4yb1JaKg.99)

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Wow, they really let go and hit back hard.
Lot of bitter vitriol. And yet capturing the essence
of the situation so well. Funny how that works!

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

That's an America I can believe in. At least until the apes take over and then it's their mess.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

Hey, one of those monkeys looks familiar...

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Dubya??

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

I've always enjoyed "I can believe in" as an endorsement. Considering all the bugfuck insane things people believe in, it's not exactly a high bar.

[icelore.livejournal.com]

Unless Obama's got one hell of a serve, I don't think he's going to make a lot of headway 1v4.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

If Congress gives him that $4 billion,
he might make some progress.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

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[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Maybe he should freak the Republicans out and say,
if they don't give him the money, he's just going to give
them all amnesty and make them citizens,
complete with photo-ID voter card. :)

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

To no one's shock: Boehner: No 'blank check' for border crisis (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/211855-boehner-no-blank-check-for-obama-on-border)

He then said something about the House needing to do something unspecified and blamed the President for having been President for 5 1/2 years and not addressing it. Never mind that Congress is supposed to write legislation. Obama's very existence appears to prevent that from occurring so clearly it's his fault.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I am jacks total lack of surprise

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

Too many of those people believe they were sent to Congress to literally do nothing - that obstructionism is achieving their goals of stopping government growth. Never mind the problems it causes.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I love the bit about the President refusing to take responsibility for anything. I'm like - well...?

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

It's jaw-dropping, especially coming from the House where they won't bring the Immigration Bill from LAST SUMMER to the floor for a vote because it would pass.

Meanwhile, we're paying for the 8th Benghazi investigation.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

See, but it's all the Democrats' fault. The GOP would be happy to pass the legislation piecemeal - starting with everything they want to do - and then they can dither about all the parts they don't want to do.

Leadership!

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

Hey, leave me out of this.

[icelore.livejournal.com]

Congress isn't going to though. I think we all know that.

[cinnamontoast.livejournal.com]

Serious question: Why aren't the church groups that were grabbing up all the children (who had relatives!) after the earthquake in Haiti scarfing on all of these children? Where are all the organizations that were all over Romania after the fall of Communism, dragging children out of orphanages? Seriously. Where are all these groups that had so many slots for these kids that they were willing to practically kidnap the kids from Haiti after the earthquake?

I don't know much about the situation, so maybe I'm wrong, but this seems like the perfect situation for them to swoop in and actually do something excellent for a change.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

That's a good question. I wonder if it could be that the law would not permit it, possibly on the grounds that it would only encourage more kids to come over illegally, but that's a complete, wild guess.

[cinnamontoast.livejournal.com]

I don't know the situation either, but if they go back across the border, surely they could allow the groups to go back over with them and pick them up as sponsors. It could be a win-win.

It's my understanding that these kids are escaping the narco wars? I can't even begin to imagine what they've been through already. They seriously need help.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

My sister goes to Haiti to mission. She makes clean water so I bite my tongue that she teaches Sunday school and makes them wear funny hats.

We just don't get sharing. I'm not sure why we are so proud of ourselves. We're selfish fucks.

They are children. All to feed fat people who couldn't bend their backs in the field. Fuck.

[cinnamontoast.livejournal.com]

So, they're too old to be cute but not young enough to avoid child labor laws if they stay here properly with church folks?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Locally they are, at least what they can, because hardblues's surmise about "being allowed" is true.

(locally being Port Hueneme)

[cinnamontoast.livejournal.com]

That's good. I'm genuinely glad to hear it. I'm glad that people are getting involved.

I looked it up, just in case you are interested. Mexico is part of the Hague protection of children act. They'd have to be foster parents rather than adopt, so most of the groups who took part in the child rescue in Haiti wouldn't be interested.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

That bottom one. Indeed.

[brother-dour.livejournal.com]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/children-border-detention-108788.html#.U8Acn5RdXy1 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/children-border-detention-108788.html#.U8Acn5RdXy1)

The bare minimum would be to take care of these kids as best as we can for as long as we can. They've been through a lot just to have the chance of getting here (like the 13-year-old girl who was forced into prostitution by a drug cartel before escaping again). I mean, damn. Not doing that kind of thing is what got Sodom into so much trouble.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

More Republicanism.

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By what moral logic should there be a Central American exception?

There is no logic. Just a quirk of the law — a 2008 law intended to deter sex trafficking. It mandates that Central American kids receive temporary relocation, extensive assistance and elaborate immigration/deportation proceedings, which many simply evade.

This leniency was designed for a small number of sex-trafficked youth. It was never intended for today's mass migration aimed at establishing a family foothold in America.

Stopping this wave is not complicated. A serious president would go to Congress tomorrow proposing a change in the law, simply mandating that Central American kids get the same treatment as Mexican kids, i.e., be subject to immediate repatriation.

Then do so under the most humane conditions. Buses with every amenity. Kids accompanied by nurses and social workers and interpreters and everything they need on board. But going home.

One thing is certain. When the first convoys begin rolling from town to town across Central America, the influx will stop.

-- Charles Krauthammer (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/071014-708224-obama-ask-congress-to-end-central-america-exception.htm)