Date: 2014-07-06 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Okay, I ask you, "Is there a higher being, a God?"

It is an unanswerable question. It is like asking "What can you see just beyond the range of your vision?" Er, uh. . . .

Evidence of God is by definition literally supernatural, that is, above the natural world. We could no more detect such evidence than we could speculate on its existence.

I prefer living in the natural world. There's plenty of cool stuff to entertain me here.

Whether you assert positively or negatively, I don't think anyone can prove it.

Exactly! So why bother entertaining the question at all?

Date: 2014-07-06 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
why bother entertaining the question at all?

Because not everyone is a PolitiCartooner. Some people believe different things, and we have to work out an accommodation that allows all of us to live together on reasonably satisfactory terms.

Date: 2014-07-08 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Why?

I am not asking out of spite or a rhetorical need.

Accommodation in my mind is simply respecting that people have different beliefs, to which they are entitled. Should someone be inclined toward the god thing, good on 'em. Should someone be inclined to the godless thing, good on 'em.

Both you invite to drinks. One you invite to a really, really raucous night of drinking.

Date: 2014-07-08 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Some people believe different things, and we have to work out an accommodation that allows all of us to live together on reasonably satisfactory terms.

That is a fallacy a lot of people believe, yes.

Date: 2014-07-08 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
And what is the non-fallacy answer? Intolerance?

Date: 2014-07-08 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
The non-fallacy answer is that there is nothing compelling you to work out an accommodation with other people other than personal preference, regardless of what that preference is informed from. We don't HAVE to do anything. You can be tolerant, intolerant, or any level inbetween. It's entirely up to you. But there is no "have to" involved in it.

Once you recognize that, you can understand why others don't feel they have to work out an accommodation. Once you eliminate "have to" as a compelling premise, other's actions become understandable. There's no guideline, no force, no law of nature or physics that requires it.

Date: 2014-07-08 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
That's true for any particular individual, but society effectively comes up with one answer or another, whether pluralism or intolerance.

Date: 2014-07-08 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Society is nothing more than the collective response of the individuals involved in the society, with more weight being given to the opinions of those with power and influence. There is no "have to" involved in that either; it's whatever the society in question wants or feels like or randomly chose that day.

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