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[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Well there you go, Since in my youth I had much more theological training than political or economic; I never realized that passage dealt with the free market...

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

As much as human anger issues?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

There is a very significant theological debate in there, which this is not the place for. Not to mention I haven't desired to be part of for over 30 years :)

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

Not the free market per se, but certainly money changing and other banking services (specifically interest) were banned in new testament-influenced religions (Christianity and Islam) based on this passage.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

You have a point, and certainly the medieval. church did just that. I would argue, incorrectly.

Being nit picky: I would say Abrahamic religions as opposed to New Testament religions. If for no other reasons (which there are ;) ) because I've never heard Islam being called a NT religion.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Being nit picky: peristaltor didn't say it was a NT religion. He said "NT influenced." And clearly it was.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Bad phrasing on my part, because that is not what I was implying.

Not having done more than surface study of Islam which is CLEARLY OT influenced (as is Christianity) could you suggest some reading material? I am currently reading a
good history of the Arab people, and just got to Mohammad when I misplaced the book, but I did find it this week, so I will pick up again; but I don't believe it goes into an in depth origen of Islam. So if you can I'd appreciate it, thanks.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Islam & Christianity by James F. Gauss. (http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Christianity-James-F-Gauss/dp/088270611X)

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

Jesus is a prophet in the Koran. There is influence, and one of them is toward interest, which is against strict Sharia law.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Which means what, since Jesus taught nothing on interest?

You may call it a difference without a distinction, but Sharia and Islam has it's roots in Judaism (irony?) and while I am not versed in Sharia, and am unaware of any direct Jesus influence, I would suspect if there is any, it is merely Mosaic law filtered thru Christianity.

That being said, after reading the book t-mann recommended I may re-evaluate; I haven't studied this stuff in 30 years, it's possible I'm remembering wrong ;).

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

. . . since Jesus taught nothing on interest?

Of course he taught nothing on interest! It didn't exist in his time! Usury, though. On that note, Jesus was abundantly clear. When it came to usurers, whips were to be used.

I took courses on both Western and Eastern religions back in college, which was quite a surprise. I had no idea Islam was Western, let alone that Jesus' words were in the Koran. He was considered a prophet with about the same standing as Moses.

. . . Sharia and Islam has it's roots in Judaism (irony?). . . .

Not really. According to Lebanese Nassim Taleb, the Muslims were once considered the protector of the Jews. Things got a bit muddled in '48 when Israel was "given" to them. Before then, Muslims considered themselves Egyptians, or Saudis, or Syrians, or wherever they came from. After '48, many clerics started this whole Muslim Identity thing as a refutation of the Jewish state and what had "been done" to the Palestinians.