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[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

Oh great, another recruiter for Al Quaeda.

Gee, you think that maybe we *made* them hate the US so much that they actually turned *into* terrorists?

Or is that thought to complicated for you?

How about this one: Do you think the world should think of the US as a country that advocates the torture of 14 year olds?

[wavering-.livejournal.com]

People of anywhere will think what they want. You think facts matter in the world of opinion?

And to think that the us creates terrorists is to blame parents for their serial killer offspring. Sure environment may play a role, but in the end you're responsible for your own choices and decisions. Lets not teach the world that its ok to blame everyone but yourself.

To base your decisions on what other people might think of you, is a little weak spinned don't you think? Then you get wrapped up spending every ounce of your energy making sure it suits everyone and in the end it suits no one.

[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

Hm. You think that maybe our soldiers over there care what the Iraqi people think of them? Maybe, just maybe?

Ah, you'd rather just make sure the Iraqi's hate our troops right? That's how *you* "support the troops", right? Make sure that people hate 'em? Want to kill 'em? You sure sound like an Al Quaeda recruiter to me.

[wavering-.livejournal.com]

no i'm what you call a realist, i don't live in a world of rainbows and unicorns where everyone is happy and the sky rains skittles.

some iraqi's will hate our troops, some will support them, some will look on with indifference, what you need to realize that you and i individually do not "support the troops", saying someone doesn't support the troops is just todays version of calling someone a communist, or to go back a few more years, a witch.

when did this become a discussion about out troops and wanting the iraqi people to hate them? i thought we were discussing whether a child could be a terrorist and what the global definition of adult is?

also what's up with your repeated reference to recruiting for al quaeda? are you going to start calling people "dodo head" next?

[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

"when did this become a discussion about out troops and wanting the iraqi people to hate them? i thought we were discussing whether a child could be a terrorist and what the global definition of adult is?"

Hey, you're the one who refused to answer the question. At what point do you consider somebody old enough to be detained without legal representation and tortured because they might be a terrorists?

Instead of answering the question, you responded that a whole 11 of them were actually caught fighting against the US. Well, here's an interesting fact:
"From Feb. 18, 2004, to Dec. 31, 2004, the United States released a total of 9,271 detainees from all its prisons in Iraq, according to the Army and U.S. Central Command. The military could not immediately provide statistics for the number of prisoners released from Abu Ghraib, which is still in operation." (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-04-27-abu-ghraib-changes_x.htm)

So I'll ask you the same question again: how old is old enough to be detained without legal representation and tortured because you *might* be a terrorist?

BTW, I do think that the opinion of the Iraqi people matters, and the friends I have serving over there think the same thing, especially when we're trying to win the Iraqi people over, when we need them to work with us to keep the country together. I also believe in the American values embodied in the Constitution, like Due Process, and that promoting American values means promoting those values, not undermining them, and that when we preach one set of "American values" but then ignore them, we undermine trust and faith in us with the very people we are supposed to be there to liberate which makes our job all the more difficult and dangerous.