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[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

Ah, the factually challenged. Let's break down your mistakes one by one:

"Keep in mind these are terrorists, and getting information from them will save countless lives, both of our troops and of us here in our homes, complaining about 'torture' of terrorists within our comfy US homes."

Wrong. We've already released numerous people from Guatanamo Bay who we've determined weren't terrorists, many who also claim to have been tortured despite their innocence. They were held without appeal, without access to lawyers, without anything, despite their innocence and then tortured for no good reason.

but the part I really love from you is this:
"I love that last paragraph...not having access to porn unless he cooperates with us is now torture..."

I love the way you just gloss over this part:
"he was beaten regularly in his early days at Guantánamo, hanged by his wrists for hours at a time and that an interrogator pressed a burning cigarette into his arm."

You people really only see what you want to see.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

Yeah I read the other parts, but I've learned from experience not to believe anything coming from Liberals at face value. I was merely laughing at how they included the part about porn in the same matter as the other alleged torture, as if they're comparable somehow.

So we're obviously having trials for these people...so what's the problem? We're in war, we can't waste time giving all of these people speedy trials. Not to mention that 12 or so of the "innocents" we've released have come back to attack us.

[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

"Not to mention that 12 or so of the "innocents" we've released have come back to attack us."

Gee, you think they might have a reason for hating the US after being treated like that? Think they might want to attack the US after being treated like that?

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

Oh that's right, they're the victims. My bad.

[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

Ah, okay, you actually think that creating terrorists helps to make us safer.

Well now that you've shown us how you "think", everything else makes sense.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

How do you propose that we make peace with these terrorists?

I want to see how you think.

[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

Hey, you're the one working as the Al Quaeda recruiter. You not only support the kidnapping and torturing of innocents, and support making people hate the US so that they become terrorists, but actually enthusiastically endorse it. Nothing like winning the hearts and minds, right?

I'll bet you support this too:

Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American jailers continued to torment him.

The prisoner, a slight, 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar, was hauled from his cell at the detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, at around 2 a.m. to answer questions about a rocket attack on an American base. When he arrived in the interrogation room, an interpreter who was present said, his legs were bouncing uncontrollably in the plastic chair and his hands were numb. He had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days.
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Dilawar was an Afghan farmer and taxi driver who died while in custody of American
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At the interrogators' behest, a guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend. An interrogator told Mr. Dilawar that he could see a doctor after they finished with him. When he was finally sent back to his cell, though, the guards were instructed only to chain the prisoner back to the ceiling.

"Leave him up," one of the guards quoted Specialist Claus as saying.

Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

If anyone is working as an Al Quada recruiter, it's Dick Turbin. After all, who wouldn't want to go kill some nazis and stalinists? I know I would.

And um, do you remember 9/11? These people will always want us dead, alleged prisoner abuse or not. To try and appease them is just ludicrous.

Also, do you believe everything you read? Like these people don't know how to tell stories and make shit up? You don't need proof when it comes to convincing other terrorists or Bush hating liberals in the media that USA (only under Bush of course) is evil.

[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

Do you lack basic reading skill? That's from an ARMY INVESTIGATION. It's right up there in black and white. Come back when you've developed basic reading skill.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

I see one line there saying that an army investigation found something, that doesn't mean that all of these cries of abuse were looked into.

Would it offend you if we were doing this sort of abuse to Bin laden? You seem to be seeing the best in these terrorists, I see the worst in them. I still remember 9/11 as well.

If we had people like you and the Liberals in government today around in WWII, we'd all be speaking german.

[rickenharp.livejournal.com]

Ah, so you just can't read. The point here is that the person tortured to death here WASN'T A TERRORIST. That, according to the Army Investigation, he was INNOCENT, and was tortured and killed for no good reason.

Of course, you keep conveniently ignoring that fact so that you can keep calling all of them "terrorists".