Date: 2013-12-08 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
There was a time when republicans were a political party and not an ideological cult.

Date: 2013-12-08 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonshaz.livejournal.com
Yep, those were the days!

Date: 2013-12-08 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] op-tech-glitch.livejournal.com
Yeah, I wasn't even born yet and the president was a bald ex-general.

Date: 2013-12-09 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Yeah. At the time, they were "democrats", in the modern parlance.

Date: 2013-12-08 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
So... Republicans believe we don't have the capacity to make sure that every citizen has access to quality health care? Or do you mean that Republicans are studiously agnostic on whether we have that capacity or not, because freedom? Or do you mean that Republicans think we do have that capacity, but it's better to pretend that we don't, just so we don't get people into "dependency mindsets," which somehow inevitably follow from acknowledging that reality?

Anyway, who gets to say what's "Republican?" Whenever the drug war comes up and the GOP is justly accused of supporting big government in that context, you're the first to defend the GOP and its supporters, stating that people can reasonably believe that the GOP is right often enough even if they're sometimes wrong (e.g., on the drug war) and lend their support to the GOP, based on that belief. If that's a reasonable point of view, then how does it happen that disagreeing with the GOP on one or even a handful of issues - by saying, for instance, that you believe that some kind of universal health care should be feasible for the U.S. - means that you're a "RINO?"

I mean - what if the person muttering the OP's quotation were a white, lower-class Southerner who joins with the GOP because he's an arch social conservative? What if that Southerner completely endorsed a strong healthcare safety net, federally administered - and also a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage and laws specially crafted to promote religion in the public sphere? Would you haul your scarequotes out, then? Or am I mistaken in thinking that this could possibly be a matter of principle, for you?

Date: 2013-12-08 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usekh.livejournal.com
Just the always, words mean precisely what Jeff chooses them to mean. No more and no less :)

Date: 2013-12-08 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
I am sure Jeff would do his etymological tango on the word "capacity," here - transforming a word about ability into one requiring reference to a network of normative preferences whose conjunction can be grasped immediately by operation of the intuitive faculty.

"Pulling it out of his ass," in other words.

Date: 2013-12-08 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hey-its-michael.livejournal.com
OK, I lol'd.

Date: 2013-12-08 06:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2245884/posts

Date: 2013-12-08 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foolsguinea.livejournal.com
This is what I have been saying.

Date: 2013-12-08 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brother-dour.livejournal.com
And all the other Republicans ignored him and played another round of golf...

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