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[morgulis.livejournal.com]

You should read papers before you reference them

Good advise. Can I also give you the similar advise at least read not a whole paper but a citation that you post? --

The meta-analysis of 122 studies from a cross-section of OECD countries excluding the United States concludes the average negative effect of sole parenthood on child well-being is small, a finding broadly consistent with earlier meta-analyses which were based largely on United States studies.

And why they excluded US? Here is why --

11. In terms of economic well-being (equivalised after tax income) Thomas and Sawhill (2005) conclude that children in married households fare better in terms of income than children in cohabiting couples who in turn fare better than children in lone parent households, at least in the United States. While acknowledging that the relationship between family structure and child economic well-being may not be causal, Thomas and Sawhill conclude that a significant amount of it is caused by sole parenthood... These results are not automatically generalisable across the OECD, as other OECD countries have very different approaches to tax-benefit policies relating to families and child support systems (see Skinner et al. 2007), publicly provided child care and so forth, which may change these patterns. Observation suggests that sole-parent supports are frequently more generous or stronger outside the United States.

Therefore --

14. Rather than simply repeat the existing recent United States surveys...This paper focuses attention on research on child well-being outcomes and sole-parent family structure in non-United States OECD countries...

So if all you try to prove with this report is that the reasons of poverty in such OECD countries as Turkey or Mexico are different from reasons of poverty in the US, I would totally agree.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

*sigh*

The meta-analysis of 122 studies from a cross-section of OECD countries excluding the United States concludes the average negative effect of sole parenthood on child well-being is small, a finding broadly consistent with earlier meta-analyses which were based largely on United States studies.

Do you know what words mean? The US was excluded because they were filling a gap in the research as most of the research already extant was from the US. The findings were consistent, meaning they confirm each other.

These results are not automatically generalisable across the OECD, as other OECD countries have very different approaches to tax-benefit policies relating to families and child support systems (see Skinner et al. 2007), publicly provided child care and so forth, which may change these patterns. Observation suggests that sole-parent supports are frequently more generous or stronger outside the United States.

So this suggests that the high rate of child poverty in the US (relative to other OECD nations) is because the welfare benefits are not as generous, in other words, the exact opposite of what you're saying.


All you've shown here is that you don't understand how to read research papers, nor how research itself works.

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

So this suggests that the high rate of child poverty in the US (relative to other OECD nations) is because the welfare benefits are not as generous

No, poverty level for one person in the US now is $11,490. Some OECD countries do not have such average GDP per capita! Of course American welfare benefits are more generous than in many of OECD countries and higher than OECD average.

See http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?QueryId=4549

This is public social expenditures, welfare programs are the part of it.

Choose in the "Unit" window "per head, in US dollars".

Good luck!

All you've shown here is that you don't understand how to read research papers, nor how research itself works.

Yes, I am an obscurantist. However I continue to believe that report that intentionally excludes the USA from the analysis of poverty and specifically says that causes of American poverty differs from causes of poverty in other countries, will not be a helpful source to learn about causes of poverty in the US. Even if you have read it from cover to cover.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

No, poverty level for one person in the US now is $11,490. Some OECD countries do not have such average GDP per capita!

Relative poverty, look it up.

However I continue to believe that report that intentionally excludes the USA from the analysis of poverty and specifically says that causes of American poverty differs from causes of poverty in other countries, will not be a helpful source to learn about causes of poverty in the US.

It's like you didn't even read my response where I said that the reason it excluded US data was because it was filling a gap in the research and their research confirms the US data. The references to the US report are in the one I posted if you so desperately want to check.


Yes, I am an obscurantist.

If facts don't matter then there is no point continuing this conversation. You just want to push your morality on other people. I prefer to live in the real world.