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[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

I'm all for insurance requiring vision coverage. I'm also rather certain there are state/federal programs that provide glasses for people who can't afford them. What are we going to do, have the poor walk around blind? That would be pretty fucking stupid.

I find it incredibly dumb that we treat vision and dental as separate medical things when it comes to health insurance.

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

I'm all for insurance requiring vision coverage.

Sure! If you or your employer buy insurance, and insurance pays for your glasses, it is a business. Everybody benefits from it. However if government forces insurance companies to provide free contraception, an insurance company increases rates to cover expenses and everybody will pay more. This mean that one person works for free for another able to work person providing goods for him. Work without compensation called "exploitation".

provide glasses for people who can't afford them. What are we going to do, have the poor walk around blind?

Incorrect parallel. Government intends to provide contraception for all women, not only for poor or disabled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraceptive_mandate_%28United_States%29

"On January 20, 2012, Health and Human Services' Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced the mandate requiring that all health plans provide coverage at no cost (including deductibles and co-payments) for all contraceptives approved by the Food and Drug Administration as part of preventive health services for women."

So the correct parallel will be if government make glasses free. As a result, insurance companies will increase price of insurance for everybody, and all two-eyes will pay to four-eyes.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

Incorrect parallel. Government intends to provide contraception for all women, not only for poor or disabled.

I'm okay with that. I'm also okay with copays going away entirely. The price points are at a scale where they are either inconsequential expenses for those who can afford them, or unreasonable burdens for those who can't. I'd rather just see it as a scaled tax rate addition that balances things out.

Your main issues seem to be that you don't seem to know what birth control does beyond "not make babies" and that you're presenting a good argument in general.

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

I'm okay with that.

Yes, you personally may be okay with something if you personally pay for something. The government however forces to pay those who may be not okay. Do you believe that despicable dusty paper called "Constitution" says something about what government can and can not do?

Your main issues seem to be that you don't seem to know what birth control does beyond "not make babies"

Yes, but why did you stop there? Let's continue. Food is not only getting calories. It goes beyond. Wholesome food make us healthier, junk food damages our health. Salads should be free, supermarkets should be mandated by government to provide everybody with them. Let medical insurance pays for it. I'm okay with that. Could you tell me what consequences for supermarket and medical insurance business such mandate will result in?

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

Your stance of "well if this is good and this other thing is also good LETS DO THE SAME EXACT THING FOR EVERYTHING FOREVER AND EVER" is a god damn moronic stance and I'm comfortable recognizing them as stupid tangents meant to bury your inability to discuss the actual topic.

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

Yes, I am a very bad person.

So, did I understand correctly that you think that government should decide what is good for people? If it decides that condoms are good it can mandate free condoms? If it decides that salads are good it can do the same? I am not asking how to do this in the real world, I am asking do you think that they have enough rights for such mandates?

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

There are programs where condoms are distributed for free. And programs that provide food.

You seem to be under the impression that just because birth control doesn't have a copay that people are not paid for the producing/selling the products. This is incorrect. You don't seem to have a grasp on reality.