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[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Sex education, sure, but that's anti-sex education, not woman.

There's no evidence to support that even a significant minority of people are against birth control, and even then, that opposition is not limited to the pill.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

That's all happening in your own mind, not in the image. It's a juxtaposition -- a simple one, granted -- to illustrate that legal trickery to achieve an end is a double-edged sword.

I guess we fundamentally disagree on whether a juxtaposition equates two things, then.

[usekh.livejournal.com]

Have you been hiding under a rock lately? And I am not talking about the general populace, who are for birth control by a large margin. But conservative leaders and -especially- conservative religious leaders are.

[soliloquy76.livejournal.com]

The only thing that's being compared/equated is the legislative tactic.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I know the media tried to make it out to be that way during the election, but no, I haven't actually seen people, in the real world in significant numbers, opposing birth control.

[usekh.livejournal.com]

Aside from, you know, the entire hierarchy of the catholic church?

Also I said leaders, not people.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Aside from, you know, the entire hierarchy of the catholic church?

The Catholic Church as a worldwide entity, sure. Are we advancing beyond United States politics now?

Besides, the Church has even okayed condoms for specific purposes (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/vatican-condoms-for-hiv-p_n_787629.html), and is not opposed to abortion to save the life of the mother (http://books.google.com/books?id=IzqDiPALzKEC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=%22Under+these+conditions+the+operation+can+be+lawful,+like+other+similar+medical+interventions%22&source=bl&ots=6EossNPUPa&sig=gZveHA4NtgqW3gTK1BsKIRUrkWo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9r3YUcfyJcHm0gGz_YDYAQ&ved=0CG4Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=%22Under%20these%20conditions%20the%20operation%20can%20be%20lawful%2C%20like%20other%20similar%20medical%20interventions%22&f=false), so even that argument needs some nuance.

[tigron-x.livejournal.com]

Explains the increase in sales on wire hangers.

:P

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

A "silly theory" is what I would call the cognitive dissonance of forcing women to carry unwanted children to term via government regulation and then depriving them of government support. Unless increasing suffering is the goal.

It's myopic and painfully hypocritical to pretend that Republicans care about the unborn or life being terminated without consent.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

A "silly theory" is what I would call the cognitive dissonance of forcing women to carry unwanted children to term via government regulation and then depriving them of government support. Unless increasing suffering is the goal.

There's no cognitive dissonance there to say that the protection of innocent life is a basic government function.

It's myopic and painfully hypocritical to pretend that Republicans care about the unborn or life being terminated without consent.

The evidence demands it, though.

[rabidsamfan.livejournal.com]

You do understand that the attacks on abortion and birth control aren't about abortion and birth control, yes? They're attacks on the rulings that uphold a right to privacy. If Griswold gets overturned, it will essentially say that "yes, the government has a right to intrude on your every decision, no matter how personal, even in the privacy of your own home." They arguments are just wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

You're fighting against a commonly-understood reality of Republican biases that bite them in the ass every election cycle with the gap in women voters.

Protection of innocent life is exactly what legislation of this sort fails to achieve, because born, living babies end up deprived of basic needs directly as a result of those policies.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

They're attacks on the rulings that uphold a right to privacy.

One can assert the right to privacy without contorting it to mean that you have the ability to kill the unborn.

They arguments are just wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.

Sigh.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

You're fighting against a commonly-understood reality of Republican biases that bite them in the ass every election cycle with the gap in women voters.

You mean the myth that the Democrats have successfully foisted on an underinformed public?

Protection of innocent life is exactly what legislation of this sort fails to achieve, because born, living babies end up deprived of basic needs directly as a result of those policies.

This, again, assumes that killing a child is preferable to the child having a chance in life.

[rabidsamfan.livejournal.com]

Hm. Stray "y" in there. Computers...very annoying. Sorry about that. Proffreeding iz betr wif glasis.

How can you assert a right to privacy without allowing for decisions of a very personal nature to be private? Griswold is about birth control, not abortion, but the people who want to close clinics run by Planned Parenthood are targeting contraception just as much as they are abortions.

There's an excellent discussion of why the logic of "saving" the unborn by banning birth control is a falsity over here (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html), written by a person who was very much against birth control for most of her life.

[rose-cat.livejournal.com]

I was wondering about that myself. I could see if he was thanking his mother for not aborting him, but...is he supposed to be a ghost, or what?

[rose-cat.livejournal.com]

Yep.

[rose-cat.livejournal.com]

I see what you did there.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

How can you assert a right to privacy without allowing for decisions of a very personal nature to be private?

Quite easily. The "very private nature" does not allow for issues of life or death. You can't assert a right of privacy when you murder someone, for example.

To be clear, I'm not saying I agree with the argument that abortion is murder, but the precepts are similar. Abortion rights stand or fall on their own without having to concoct a right to privacy in order to make them.

[atheistkathleen.livejournal.com]

? it doesn't seem ridiculous at all to me

[brother-dour.livejournal.com]

Derp. That went right over my head. Moreso than usual.

I claim Aggie moment.

[new-wave-witch.livejournal.com]

Which are attached to....

[harroldsheep.livejournal.com]

Completely untrue, of course.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[harroldsheep.livejournal.com]

[rabidsamfan.livejournal.com]

You're equating abortion and birth control now. Remember, I started my argument by saying the anti-choice crowd is going after Griswold not Roe. Did you read the link? She thinks that the anti-choice position is one of punishing women, which I think is only the gravy on the biscuit. How much of the right to privacy is established by courts depending on Griswold for precedent?