Date: 2012-10-30 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
I've been wondering when this was finally going to break here.

Not only is Mitt Romney not going to let his campaign be deterred by fact-checkers, he's not going to let his campaign be deterred by facts!

I eagerly await our grammar-slicing friends from across the aisle's responses to this one.

Date: 2012-10-30 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
Maybe the president cannot choose his facts, but Republicans can - they are reality-creators!

The Republicans will ignore it, and just hope to fool as many middle-of-the-road voters as possible.

Date: 2012-10-30 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Maybe GM will take out some advertisements to belay his lies.

Date: 2012-10-30 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Hell, even the National Journal called shenanigans on this one.

Date: 2012-10-30 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Oh, look, here's the story Romney probably read (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html).

Date: 2012-10-30 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

So, basically, Romney's argument is that a company might not expand exclusively only in the US?

Wouldn't it be phenomenally more cost-effective to make Jeeps for China in China, since that kinda cuts down on the whole "send them over by boat" thing?

Date: 2012-10-30 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Sigh. The first paragraph:

Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.


Emphasis mine.

The Jeep president then went on to say “[W]e’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Romney was correct as he knew it. Nothing in his statement was false.

Date: 2012-10-30 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
So, in other words, the article contradicts itself, yet Romney decided to use this as an attack?

Now that the confusion was settled, I'm also very sure Romney will correct his ads, not keep blasting them out, of course!

Date: 2012-10-30 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Romney decided to go with what Manley was reported to say. Manley, to my knowledge, has not recanted.

Date: 2012-10-30 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
And, from the same article

Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

Date: 2012-10-30 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's not a direct quote, so I don't know why Bloomberg would say that two paragraphs after a direct quote saying otherwise.

Date: 2012-10-31 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com
Because the direct quote doesn't say otherwise. It's just easily misinterpreted (apparently).

Date: 2012-10-31 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
The direct quote fairly clearly says they may move some or all production.

Date: 2012-10-31 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com
Case in point on that quote being easy to misinterpret...if I thought you were being serious, but I'm honestly not sure. Cards on the table now—are you sincere, or just bored and looking for a pointless argument to fill the time? Nothing in what you've quoted says that production in the U.S. will be shut down to any degree, "fairly clearly" or otherwise. It simply doesn't say explicitly that that won't happen, which I guess makes some folks feel safe to assume it will. In response, the CEO of Chrysler has already clarified that they are NOT moving production out of the U.S., but simply beginning it elsewhere as well as doing it in the U.S. So basically the only person left saying this will happen is you, and possibly Romney if he hasn't gotten the word. You have, and yet here we are. What's up?

Date: 2012-10-31 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
No, the direct quote says they may eventually make all models there. As opposed to making some models there and importing others.

It doesn't say anything at all about moving production, or ceasing production elsewhere. It just says "eventually the factories there will have a full set of outputs".

Imagine a McDonald's that only serves cheeseburgers for now, but plans are in the works to install a fryer so they can make fries, and then drink machines, and then arrange an egg supply so they can do McMuffins, etc. Eventually, this McDonald's will produce all models of McDonald's food. It will not produce all food for all McDonald's everywhere.

Your misreading is understandable, but it is a misreading, and it's clearly established as a misreading in the rest of the article, and repeatedly in Chrysler's statements.

Date: 2012-11-02 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Excuse me sir, all non-Jeff readings are automatically misreadings.

Date: 2012-10-31 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goumindong.livejournal.com
"make all of its models" does not mean "make all of the cars". Models refers to what is being produced.

Date: 2012-10-30 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
They're making so much money they can afford to expand into foreign markets while keeping production up at home -- and Mitt Romney thinks that's a -bad- thing.

Date: 2012-10-30 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unnamed525.livejournal.com
Of course he does. If they're doing THAT well, he won't be able to sell off their assets for his personal profit.

Date: 2012-10-30 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Are fear and lies all the GOP has left?

Date: 2012-10-31 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interdictor.livejournal.com
Right. It's not China. It's Italy.

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