Date: 2012-08-02 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] american-geist.livejournal.com
Judging by how paranoid this is, I'm wondering how people will react if Obama gets reelected. It could be ugly.

Date: 2012-08-03 05:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
I almost hope it does.

A teabagger insurrection would serve to permanently inoculate the culture against their nonsense, much like WWII permanently inoculated Germany against nazism.

Date: 2012-08-03 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com
But that was a very expensive way to inoculate--how many suffered and died in WWII and its leadup? I really am terrified when I see things like this cartoon.

Date: 2012-08-03 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
Are you being sarcastic? Neo-Naziism is on the rise (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreSVIC7DhE) in Germany.

Date: 2012-08-02 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foolsguinea.livejournal.com
Would that even work? If an assassination attempt would pre-empt the election, there have got to be people (of various political persuasions) who would go ahead and take a potshot at Obama rather than see Romney win.

So if it would work, putting the idea out there makes it possible that someone not taking orders from Obama takes a shot at Obama, just to stop Romney. That means those who repeat the rumor are working to undermine the election and stop Romney?

If it wouldn't work, that means they're, what? Encouraging Romney haters to pretend to try to assassinate Obama, which would make Obama look bad and accomplish nothing?

Date: 2012-08-02 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/7/12/could_bush_cancel_the_election

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/31/2874

http://current.com/news-and-politics/89142818_bush-to-attack-iran-suspend-elections-and-declare-martial-law.htm

Conspiracy theories love a good story

Date: 2012-08-02 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] american-geist.livejournal.com
I'm really curious how far back into history this goes— did people think William Howard Taft was going to inflict martial law?

Date: 2012-08-02 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
First time I remember hearing this level of rhetoric was in 2000 with Clinton using the Y2K thing to institute martial law. It ended up that Y2K was not a problem and conspiracy theorists had to wait until Bush and Florida to come back into vogue.

Date: 2012-08-02 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
I tried checking, but those stories are hosted on a 12-baud modem. Got better things to do with my time.

Date: 2012-08-03 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
.-.. --- .-.. / -... ..- - - ...

Date: 2012-08-02 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saint-monkey.livejournal.com
The first I can recall is in the late 80's, early 90's. Specifically, William Cooper used to talk about these false flag scenarios in connection to the New World Order. He claimed that the NWO was planning various disasters (at various times the disasters were different, depending upon when you were hearing Cooper speak,) in order to create the panic needed to use FEMA to suspend the constitution and take control. The first variants I heard surrounded Bush senior. (Republicans or Democrats, it didn't matter to Cooper. I don't think he trusted any president after Nixon.) Cooper was killed by a Sherriff's Deputy in November 2001, (Cooper went out like he lived. They LITERALLY had to pry the gun from his cold dead hands.) or you'd probably have heard of him by now, he was really getting keyed up about September 11th.

If you ever want to have a fascinating read, check out Cooper's book, "Behold a Pale Horse." Amazing stuff, and the roots to a lot of very very very far right conspiracy theory, (and probably the very very very far left too. Why waste a good paranoid fantasy?)

Date: 2012-08-03 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com
No, but Taft was accused of eating puppies for breakfast.

Date: 2012-08-03 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com
Having lived in California when Reagan did declare martial law, with National Guard outside my door, I can understand why people think like this--only Obama? I don't see that.

Date: 2012-08-02 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Well there is the part where the bush administration lied to get us to invade countries. That side does get a bit more credibility.

Date: 2012-08-02 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
It still was false, in 2004 and in 2008. Fear mongering can only last so long until it's seen as crap.

Date: 2012-08-02 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I didn't say it was likely it was going to happen, I just can see where they're coming from. But Barack "cant we just get along" Obama? Psh

Date: 2012-08-02 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
You have to think like they think. for any good conspiracy to really work

Date: 2012-08-02 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Well FEMA has only been around since '79, the prior conspiracy theories probably revolved around the black UN helicopters and the like.

Date: 2012-08-02 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was also going to mention the FEMA camps.

Date: 2012-08-03 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Post-Katrina, New Orleans did have FEMA Death Trailers(I think a perfect band name) for a while there.

Date: 2012-08-04 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mzflux.livejournal.com
The first article you posted reported by Democracy Now! was NOT a repost of weak citizen reporting like the second two articles you followed with. I personally think it's pretty disingenuous of you to bunch this report in with the others. Said story was also reported by Newsweek, CNN, USA Today, and other major media outlets.

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-07-11/politics/election.day.delay_1_election-day-terrorist-threat-level-ridge?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-12-postpone-elections_x.htm

NEW YORK, July 11 /PRNewswire/

American counter-terrorism officials, citing what they call "alarming" intelligence about a possible Qaeda strike inside the United States this fall, are reviewing a proposal that could allow for the postponement of the November presidential election in the event of such an attack, Newsweek has learned. The prospect that Al Qaeda might seek to disrupt the U.S. election was a major factor behind last week's terror warning by Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. Ridge and other counterterrorism officials concede they have no intel about any specific plots. But the success of March's Madrid railway bombings in influencing the Spanish elections -- as well as intercepted "chatter" among Qaeda operatives -- has led analysts to conclude "they want to interfere with the elections," says one official.

As a result, sources tell Newsweek, Ridge's department last week asked the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to analyze what legal steps would be needed to permit the postponement of the election were an attack to take place. Justice was specifically asked to review a recent letter to Ridge from DeForest B. Soaries Jr., chairman of the newly created U.S. Election Assistance Commission. Soaries noted that, while a primary election in New York on September 11, 2001, was quickly suspended by that state's Board of Elections after the attacks that morning, "the federal government has no agency that has the statutory authority to cancel and reschedule a federal election." Soaries, a Bush appointee who two years ago was an unsuccessful GOP candidate for Congress, wants Ridge to seek emergency legislation from Congress empowering his agency to make such a call. Homeland officials say that as drastic as such proposals sound, they are taking them seriously -- along with other possible contingency plans in the event of an election-eve or Election Day attack. "We are reviewing the issue to determine what steps need to be taken to secure the election," says Brian Roehrkasse, a Homeland spokesman.


- Michael Isikoff, investigative correspondent for Newsweek

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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/newsweek-periscope-exclusive---election-day-worries-71228367.html
Edited Date: 2012-08-04 11:56 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-03 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bonesnapdeez.livejournal.com
Hilarious how the people who call Obama a "dictator" end up voting for the most authoritarian candidates on the ballot.

Date: 2012-08-03 05:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-03 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
The Age of the Great Cleansing Fire begins today!
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Oops, wrong President For Life (http://www.theonion.com/articles/clinton-declares-self-president-for-life,191/)
Edited Date: 2012-08-03 05:56 am (UTC)

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