Derp!!!

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

I am LOVING this scandal because of how it's exposing how many on the right view women.

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[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I don't see where I'm being dishonest.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I don't really need to convince myself. The evidence is quite clear - if this was actually an issue about women, the complaint would not be about the mandate, but about the mere existence of birth control, which supermajorities accept at this point. This idea that contraception is an issue is wholly manufactured.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I'm not forgiving the name calling, but you're confusing two things now.

1) The mandate goes into place, and the right rightfully starts talking about religious freedom.

2) The GOP runs a religious freedom panel in Washington, the Democrats start crying "but where are the women on a panel about birth control?" which was factually false. They then trot out a professional partisan for her own thing, and people made bad jokes and comments about her.

The second part is related because the Democrats made it about something it's not. It does not forgive the commentary one bit but the two are only related because the Democrats insisted on distracting from the issue of religious freedom.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

But here is the thing, people are no longer talking about religion and the freedoms for it when you are starting to become derogatory to women.

Indeed. The Democratic distraction was successful.

When this comes into play, as it has been and as it is continuing to do so, you(general you) no longer care about the topic of religion but you care more about shaming women and being gross about the things you say.

If you think saying "We shouldn't have to pay for your contraception" is shaming women, you're being as extreme as those who are making crude comments.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Talk about distractions. This isn't what I was talking about and you know it. Stop stooping to dishonest levels.

Yes, you have it in your head that a guy on the radio is somehow representative of the thought process. It's not.

[lilenth.livejournal.com]

Freedom of religion, also includes freedom from religion, separation of church and state remember?

Also taxpayers are NOT paying for anyone's contraception, women are paying for it themselves by paying insurance with their wages. They are entitled to medical care that they fucking pay for, just like everyone else.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Indeed. And if their insurance doesn't cover contraceptives, then they won't be paying for them via insurance.

[yelena-r0ssini.livejournal.com]

Again, the Right made the "religious freedom" thing narrow-gauge from the get-go, not the Left. The people on the "religious freedom panel" were voicing objection solely to birth control, not to any other medication or medical procedure that might be considered religiously objectionable.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Again, you're not negating the reality, just complaining that it was narrow. Whether it's narrow or not has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the complaint.

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

what the hell are you talking about - if this was actually an issue about women, the complaint would not be about the mandate, but about the mere existence of birth control, which supermajorities accept at this point-

at this point?

If you're talking about birth control being legal, that fight was already won and yes, it very much was a women's issue. Certain religion DO complain very much about the existance of birth control they just pretty much don't bother taking that complaint to congress, because they already lost that battle and they know it. What the hell supermajorities have to do with anything, I do not know.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

f you're talking about birth control being legal, that fight was already won and yes, it very much was a women's issue. Certain religion DO complain very much about the existance of birth control they just pretty much don't bother taking that complaint to congress, because they already lost that battle and they know it. What the hell supermajorities have to do with anything, I do not know.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Supermajorities mean it's utterly uncontroversial except for a select fringe.

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

aaand you just went in a circle without really saying anything yet again.

You really don't understand this issue at all, do you? Sorry, my mistake.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

this was actually an issue about women, the complaint would not be about the mandate, but about the mere existence of birth control, which supermajorities accept at this point.

"At this point". Coy. At least you recognize the end goal.

Fundamentally, this is about the existence of birth control. Those who admit this is so cannot even call it birth control, instead they call it "abortion inducing drugs (http://youtu.be/A_QZFHHUmms)".


wholly manufactured

If by that you mean the ever deniable attack dog of the right just called women sluts and whores, sure. Well done Rush!

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

"At this point". Coy. At least you recognize the end goal.

No, the end goal is to get the government out of religious freedom issues.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

"abortion causing drugs".

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

And what "scary muslim" mandate did the government put in place again?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Well, enough people have tried to make the Muslim community center in NYC an analogy that I can never tell anymore. That's how utterly stupid this has gotten.

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

Oh, Jeff is honest....an honest sociopath. He'd willingly slit his mother's throat in the name of his political beliefs.