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pacotelic.livejournal.com

Sure. I wss just making the point that the Bush and Obama stimulus/tax cut policies are not so dissimilar. Both get us deeper into debt, with debatable benefits to the economy.

Of course, Obama is sunsetting wars, while Bush started them. Which is another reason to vote for him in 2012.

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badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com

Sure. I wss just making the point that the Bush and Obama stimulus/tax cut policies are not so dissimilar. Both get us deeper into debt, with debatable benefits to the economy.

Bush at least made it a point to significantly cut taxes. Obama didn't sign a tax cut until nearly 2 years into his term.

Of course, Obama is sunsetting wars, while Bush started them. Which is another reason to vote for him in 2012.

Surely, we should applaud Obama for sticking with the plan his predecessor signed for him.

*eyeroll*

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pacotelic.livejournal.com

All hagiog(r)aphy and (r)evisionism aside, I'm going to need a citiation on the Bush administration saying this was anything but an epochal war. For every minor administrative quote about a 10 year time line, there are dozens tlaking about the danger of setting timelines for success.

Rumsfeld's unfounded confidence doesn't count, as he was an idiot.

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badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com

All hagiog(r)aphy and (r)evisionism aside,

Please point out where that occurred. Thanks.

I'm going to need a citiation on the Bush administration saying this was anything but an epochal war. For every minor administrative quote about a 10 year time line, there are dozens tlaking about the danger of setting timelines for success.

Announced in August 2008 (http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=36d07f1a-ecfc-480f-b10f-9688971b93be), approved by the Iraqis later that year (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/world/africa/27iht-27iraq-sofa.18201593.html).

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pacotelic.livejournal.com

we should applaud Obama for sticking with the plan his predecessor signed for him.

August 2008? Good jorb. That was about when Bush was signing 16 trillion dollars to the banks, right?

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badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com

You're a few dollars and a few months off.

Backing off the revisionism/hagiography charge, are we?

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pacotelic.livejournal.com

Nope. I'm not backing off anything. The Cheney admin had no commitment to a closing date nor proposed any specific strategic exit strategy during the vast majority of its time in the White House.

Obama needs to do a better job dismantling the Cheney executive power grab and its crazy reign of fear. That is the worst thing about the Obama administration thus far. I see no evidence that Romney would do any better.

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badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com

Nope. I'm not backing off anything. The Cheney admin had no commitment to a closing date nor proposed any specific strategic exit strategy during the vast majority of its time in the White House.

Putting aside your historical revisionism irt the "Cheney admin," that 2008 drawdown agreement proves you wrong.