I'm not trying to be bitchy, but what a lot of people don't know is that it was a "Tasteless Costume" party.
He dressed that way not just because it was tacky, but because the British throne has long been associated with the Germans. (I.E. the name change in WW II i believe it was) He dressed that way for the same reasons that William dressed as a lion. (Richard the Lionhearted, heir to the throne, etc)
The threme of the party is a non issue because there are countless other things he could have dressed as if he wanted to be tasteless. Probably most of which would not have caused the shit to hit the fan like it has.
Actualy, the EU is consittering just such a law at this very moment, sparked by the Prince Harry incident, which seems to me like both an overreaction and a dangerous precident. I hate Nazis as much as the next guy (maybe more) but I'm also concerned about the damage such a ban could have on the right of free speech and expression in Europe.
As long it only effects the speech and expression of nazi shitheads, I don't see this as a bad thing. Germany banned hate literature, why not ban the rest of that garbage?
The problem is that if we make an ecxeption to free speech for nazi shitheads, what we're basicaly doing is banning a form of unpopular speech. It's not that I want to protect nazis or anything, but like I said, it sets a dangerous precident which could allow other such bans on other forms of unpopular speech.
Thats not a problem. You should know that not all forms of free speech are protected speech. Many forms of speech are illegal and often punished by law (libel, slander, death threats, terrorist threats) I've even seen some hate crime cases like a cross burning try be defended as "free speech" well that gets shot down real quick.
Well those someones might be every single Jewish person on the planet or anyone else who thinks that Nazi symbolism is disgusting and has no place. Flashing around Nazi symbolism goes way beyond simply being offended. There are survivors of the holocaust still running around and seeing something like that can cause undo suffering in them because of the atrocities they endured.
Too many people think because if they can do something that they should. But I think it wouldn be more wise to actually stop and think if they should.
And on a personal note, it disturbs me that you would even defend his behavior directly or indirectly.
The germans have got the right idea when they banned Mein Kampf, I think it should be taken a step further and banning nazis or nazi symbols. And socialists.
Actualy, there've probably been more people killed under the sign of the cross than the swaztica. The crusades, the inquisition, the Salem witch trials (not to mention the European witch trials, which were actualy worse and indirectly led to the spread of the black plauge).
"...it disturbs me that you would even defend his behavior directly or indirectly."
Personaly, I don't defend his behavior. Even if it was a 'bad taste' party, he should have known better. What I'm defending is his RIGHT to be an insensative jerk.
At the risk of sounding pendantic, the theme of the party was "Colonials and Natives", not a bad taste theme - and i'm not entirely sure the lad has the wit to make a satirical jibe at his family genaology...
Well since Adolph was trying to "colonise" the REST of the world with little aryan folk. And what do "colonials" do??...why the KILL the natives!!! ...it does fit the theme.
Tasteless? Hmm... Maybe he should have gone with blackface and a banjo instead.
BTW, the denizens of FARK (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1304176) had a grand ole time Photoshopping alternate costumes for Harry.
Interesting how when people dress up as the devil or some other equally evil symbol, nobody is offended. But dress up as a Nazi and everyone is.
A costume is just that. It usually does not mean you represent the costume you are wearing.
While we're getting all offended at a costume someone wore at a PRIVATE, not PUBLIC party, maybe we could be offended at the mass killing of Iraqi citizens or any other people our government AS WELL AS other governments have killed en masse.
Harry did not kill or advocate killing anyone. Hitler, Bush, Stalin, Hussein, Clinton, Castro, or any other ruler who sent people to die and kill others--those people actually have advocated killing people.
Poor taste, probably. Any of our business? Certainly not.
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Date: 2005-01-17 09:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-17 09:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-17 09:21 pm (UTC)He dressed that way not just because it was tacky, but because the British throne has long been associated with the Germans. (I.E. the name change in WW II i believe it was) He dressed that way for the same reasons that William dressed as a lion. (Richard the Lionhearted, heir to the throne, etc)
Here here!
Date: 2005-01-17 09:37 pm (UTC)If he dressed up a ghandi -- people would be all pissed off too....
(Personally I woulda dressed up as Margaret Thatcher!)
Like i tell most people -- "FUCK OFF!" "Ever see "The Producers"?!!!"
Sha!
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Date: 2005-01-18 12:15 am (UTC)The threme of the party is a non issue because there are countless other things he could have dressed as if he wanted to be tasteless. Probably most of which would not have caused the shit to hit the fan like it has.
Tacky or not...
Date: 2005-01-18 07:32 am (UTC)OOo...I might "offend" someone!
He can dress up as anything he wants....Tacky or not.
Shit, he shoulda dressed up as a Priest and had another kid dress up as an "Alter boy" ...and had some simulated anal sex with him.
Now THAT's a statement!
Re: Tacky or not...
Date: 2005-01-18 07:54 am (UTC)Actualy, the EU is consittering just such a law at this very moment, sparked by the Prince Harry incident, which seems to me like both an overreaction and a dangerous precident. I hate Nazis as much as the next guy (maybe more) but I'm also concerned about the damage such a ban could have on the right of free speech and expression in Europe.
Re: Tacky or not...
Date: 2005-01-18 09:30 am (UTC)Re: Tacky or not...
Date: 2005-01-18 09:46 am (UTC)Re: Tacky or not...
Date: 2005-01-18 10:05 am (UTC)Ban it all....all books, etc.
Banning is not the way to do it...EDUCATION IS!
Re: Tacky or not...
Date: 2005-01-18 06:14 pm (UTC)Re: Tacky or not...
Date: 2005-01-18 07:54 pm (UTC)There should be
Date: 2005-01-18 07:56 am (UTC)Too many people think because if they can do something that they should. But I think it wouldn be more wise to actually stop and think if they should.
And on a personal note, it disturbs me that you would even defend his behavior directly or indirectly.
Re: There should be
Date: 2005-01-18 09:37 am (UTC)People with NAZI symbols and guns don't kill people -- IDIOTS with Nazi symbols and guns kill people!
They use them TO OFFEND -- cus they can't think up their OWN symbols.
They symbols are just that -- symbols. It's the assholes that wear them that SHOULD be the offensive ones.
Personally...when i see those symbols i laugh....reminds me of a bunch of fucking clowns.
Now Mimes....MIMES are OFFENSIVE!
Re: There should be
Date: 2005-01-18 09:41 am (UTC)The germans have got the right idea when they banned Mein Kampf, I think it should be taken a step further and banning nazis or nazi symbols. And socialists.
Re: There should be
Date: 2005-01-18 10:04 am (UTC)I think I might get flamed for this... Oh well...
Date: 2005-01-18 06:22 pm (UTC)Re: I think I might get flamed for this... Oh well...
Date: 2005-01-18 07:51 pm (UTC)Hell, gotta get rid of excess population some way.....
Re: There should be
Date: 2005-01-18 06:18 pm (UTC)Personaly, I don't defend his behavior. Even if it was a 'bad taste' party, he should have known better. What I'm defending is his RIGHT to be an insensative jerk.
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Date: 2005-01-18 01:29 am (UTC)So a "Lion" is what?
Date: 2005-01-18 07:36 am (UTC)Well since Adolph was trying to "colonise" the REST of the world with little aryan folk. And what do "colonials" do??...why the KILL the natives!!! ...it does fit the theme.
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BTW, the denizens of FARK (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1304176) had a grand ole time Photoshopping alternate costumes for Harry.
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Date: 2005-01-18 04:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-18 07:57 am (UTC)I would prefer - for tasteless...
Date: 2005-01-18 07:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-18 07:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-18 10:40 am (UTC)A costume is just that. It usually does not mean you represent the costume you are wearing.
While we're getting all offended at a costume someone wore at a PRIVATE, not PUBLIC party, maybe we could be offended at the mass killing of Iraqi citizens or any other people our government AS WELL AS other governments have killed en masse.
Harry did not kill or advocate killing anyone. Hitler, Bush, Stalin, Hussein, Clinton, Castro, or any other ruler who sent people to die and kill others--those people actually have advocated killing people.
Poor taste, probably. Any of our business? Certainly not.