Date: 2009-10-16 04:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] weswilson
I Lu-UUUUHV it when oblivious partisans use the opinions of the opposition to back up their arguments, but cherry pick what they want out that person's opinion. Robert Reich is a public-option advocate. He believes this will prevent what he's describing in the original post.

Date: 2009-10-16 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
how does a public option negate anything he said in the first clip?

Date: 2009-10-16 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
the government already pays for about 60% of medical research, and what the private sector alone pays, half of that is easily finding ways to alter existing drugs to circumvent patent laws rather than engage in any actual innovation.

death panels exist in the private sector but a proper public option couldn't cancel your coverage.

Date: 2009-10-16 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
but in the first clip, the op's clip, reich said the young and healthy will have to pay more. and we won't break the bank trying to save old geezers. this is the reality behind all governmental health systems.

Date: 2009-10-16 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
everybody pays for their healthcare. just like under the current system omg holy carp.

also the second part isn't even true. i wouldn't give a shit if it were, though, because old people are dicks.

Date: 2009-10-16 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
sure it's true. the euros don't take drastic measures to save old codgers, this happens only in america.

Date: 2009-10-16 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
but to ease your mind, i'm not defending it. let the old farts die, i say.

Date: 2009-10-16 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
besides, just because they're death panels doesn't mean they aren't fair.

if an old dude can tell at least three cool stories, he gets to live.

use that criteria for everyone else when they hit a crappy age, like 65. or however old rush limbaugh is.
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Date: 2009-10-16 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
old people in france are all successful authors and scholars with enough tobacco to outlive any illness

Date: 2009-10-16 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
there's no need for any death panels. quit trying to scare the elderly!

we'll do it the french way and just wait for a heat wave to kill them all off.

Date: 2009-10-16 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
the only old geezers who get extreme care now are the ones who can afford incredibly expensive health care plans. they'll still be able to get them after reform. the difference is, the ones who just die in their one bedroom walkup apartments now will actually have insurance.

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