Oh dear god, I'm just reading about his answer now. Yikes.
Even beyond that, I haven't heard much positivity about this presser from anyone save you at this point, and I don't actually know many conservatives IRL.
That's right doctors only make decisions based on how much compensation they can make.
Of course Obama also believes in wellness prevention programs(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31929715/ns/health-health_care/page/2/print/1/displaymode/1098/), and that pain killers are better than surgery for arrhythmia (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/26/obama_maybe_youre_better_off_taking_painkillers_and_forgoing_surgery.html)
Did you not read or listen to his answer? Did you not read or listen to the question? It's obviuos that you have not. But just keep the spin going to justify his terrible answers and his abhorrent policies.
Lady's summary: "Doctor 1 didn't want to give her a pacemaker because she was too old for surgery. Doctor 2 went 'yeah sure you can have the surgery.' What is your opinion on that situation"
President's actual non-edited for the quote words: "What [government] can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that is not making anyone's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests and additional drugs, that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that we can let doctors know and your mom know that you're not better off, that maybe you're off not taking the surgery but taking the pain killers. And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients and making sure our incentives are not preventing those good decisions and that doctors and hospitals are all aligned for patient care, that we can achieve."
So the President was talking about how many insurance companies and doctors, even now, may suggest that someone who is very old may not be right for surgery, and that while they may inform doctors and patients of the risks involved, they would not have incentives that discourage doctors and patients from doing what they feel is right, as opposed to what insurance companies do now, which is just go "no" and offer incentives for doctors to back that up.
we can let doctors know and your mom know that you're not better off, that maybe you're off not taking the surgery but taking the pain killers.
HIS WORDS. Tell the lady's mom, who as arrhythmia, that maybe she's better off not taking the surgery but taking pain killers.
Do you even know what the treatment is for arrhythmia? Do you even know what arrhythmia is?
It's painfully obvious that from your last comment you don't know how doctor's or medicine in general actually works, or how insurance companies work. I guess it's much easier to just believe the conspiracy hype that liberals have been throwing around for years.
HIS WORDS. Tell the lady's mom, who as arrhythmia, that maybe she's better off not taking the surgery but taking pain killers.
Yes, like insurance companies and medicare already do. Except in the insurance companies' situation, they wouldn't be advisers as much as they would be going "hey have fun paying for it yourself, then."
It's painfully obvious that from your last comment you don't know how doctor's or medicine in general actually works, or how insurance companies work.
It's nice that you believe things, but sadly that does not make them true.
I guess it's much easier to just believe the conspiracy hype that liberals have been throwing around for years.
So your claim is that insurance companies are willing to pay for all treatments no matter what and that they're willing to disregard profits in order to attend to the health of a client?
Maybe you think this is being taken out of context as well?
From Obama's opening statement: "I understand how easy it is for this town to become consumed in the game of politics – to turn every issue into running tally of who’s up and who’s down. I’ve heard that one Republican strategist told his party that even though they may want to compromise, it’s better politics to “go for the kill.” Another Republican Senator said that defeating health reform is about “breaking” me.
So let me be clear: This isn’t about me. I have great health insurance, and so does every Member of Congress. This debate is about the letters I read when I sit in the Oval Office every day, and the stories I hear at town hall meetings."
Then a little later: QUESTION: Back to the politics of it, you've mentioned two Republicans in your opening statement, but you have 60 Democratic seats, a healthy majority in the House.
OBAMA: Right.
QUESTION: If you don't get this, isn't this a fight inside the Democratic Party and that Republicans really aren't playing a -- you can't really blame the Republicans for this one?
OBAMA: Well, first of all, you haven't seen me out there blaming the Republicans. I've been a little frustrated by some of the misinformation that's been coming out of the Republicans, but that has to do with, as you pointed out, politics."
REALLY??? He's not blaming republicans? What did he just do in his opening statement?
For people who loathe elitist gotcha media, I like how happy he is to go "Obama does not blame Republicans (the group) but then he blamed a Republican [individual]!"
I understand how easy it is for this town to become consumed in the game of politics – to turn every issue into running tally of who’s up and who’s down. I’ve heard that one Republican strategist told his party that even though they may want to compromise, it’s better politics to “go for the kill.” Another Republican Senator said that defeating health reform is about “breaking” me.
Well, first of all, you haven't seen me out there blaming the Republicans.
Well, yes he is blaming Republicans. What would you call it?
Or maybe you think it's okay to just blame individuals?
Come on. You're supposed to be smarter than that. Get off the spin wagon.
Or maybe you think it's okay to just blame individuals?
I'm totally okay with someone calling someone else out for wanting to "break him".
He is blaming "a" Republican, not "all" Republicans.
If you don't see the difference between someone going "this Republican is a dick" and "Republicans are dicks," it's really your problem with processing words, not mine.
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Date: 2009-07-23 01:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-23 02:22 am (UTC)Even beyond that, I haven't heard much positivity about this presser from anyone save you at this point, and I don't actually know many conservatives IRL.
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Date: 2009-07-23 02:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-23 12:14 pm (UTC)Of course Obama also believes in wellness prevention programs(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31929715/ns/health-health_care/page/2/print/1/displaymode/1098/), and that pain killers are better than surgery for arrhythmia (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/26/obama_maybe_youre_better_off_taking_painkillers_and_forgoing_surgery.html)
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Date: 2009-07-23 12:28 pm (UTC)Did context kill your dog, because you seem to really hate it and do your best to ignore it.
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Date: 2009-07-23 12:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-23 12:55 pm (UTC)Lady's summary: "Doctor 1 didn't want to give her a pacemaker because she was too old for surgery. Doctor 2 went 'yeah sure you can have the surgery.' What is your opinion on that situation"
President's actual non-edited for the quote words: "What [government] can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that is not making anyone's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests and additional drugs, that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that we can let doctors know and your mom know that you're not better off, that maybe you're off not taking the surgery but taking the pain killers. And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients and making sure our incentives are not preventing those good decisions and that doctors and hospitals are all aligned for patient care, that we can achieve."
So the President was talking about how many insurance companies and doctors, even now, may suggest that someone who is very old may not be right for surgery, and that while they may inform doctors and patients of the risks involved, they would not have incentives that discourage doctors and patients from doing what they feel is right, as opposed to what insurance companies do now, which is just go "no" and offer incentives for doctors to back that up.
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Date: 2009-07-23 03:20 pm (UTC)HIS WORDS. Tell the lady's mom, who as arrhythmia, that maybe she's better off not taking the surgery but taking pain killers.
Do you even know what the treatment is for arrhythmia? Do you even know what arrhythmia is?
It's painfully obvious that from your last comment you don't know how doctor's or medicine in general actually works, or how insurance companies work. I guess it's much easier to just believe the conspiracy hype that liberals have been throwing around for years.
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Date: 2009-07-23 03:27 pm (UTC)Yes, like insurance companies and medicare already do. Except in the insurance companies' situation, they wouldn't be advisers as much as they would be going "hey have fun paying for it yourself, then."
It's painfully obvious that from your last comment you don't know how doctor's or medicine in general actually works, or how insurance companies work.
It's nice that you believe things, but sadly that does not make them true.
I guess it's much easier to just believe the conspiracy hype that liberals have been throwing around for years.
So your claim is that insurance companies are willing to pay for all treatments no matter what and that they're willing to disregard profits in order to attend to the health of a client?
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Date: 2009-07-23 12:45 pm (UTC)From Obama's opening statement: "I understand how easy it is for this town to become consumed in the game of politics – to turn every issue into running tally of who’s up and who’s down. I’ve heard that one Republican strategist told his party that even though they may want to compromise, it’s better politics to “go for the kill.” Another Republican Senator said that defeating health reform is about “breaking” me.
So let me be clear: This isn’t about me. I have great health insurance, and so does every Member of Congress. This debate is about the letters I read when I sit in the Oval Office every day, and the stories I hear at town hall meetings."
Then a little later: QUESTION: Back to the politics of it, you've mentioned two Republicans in your opening statement, but you have 60 Democratic seats, a healthy majority in the House.
OBAMA: Right.
QUESTION: If you don't get this, isn't this a fight inside the Democratic Party and that Republicans really aren't playing a -- you can't really blame the Republicans for this one?
OBAMA: Well, first of all, you haven't seen me out there blaming the Republicans. I've been a little frustrated by some of the misinformation that's been coming out of the Republicans, but that has to do with, as you pointed out, politics."
REALLY??? He's not blaming republicans? What did he just do in his opening statement?
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Date: 2009-07-23 12:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-23 01:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-23 12:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-23 03:14 pm (UTC)Well, first of all, you haven't seen me out there blaming the Republicans.
Well, yes he is blaming Republicans. What would you call it?
Or maybe you think it's okay to just blame individuals?
Come on. You're supposed to be smarter than that. Get off the spin wagon.
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Date: 2009-07-23 03:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-23 03:19 pm (UTC)I'm totally okay with someone calling someone else out for wanting to "break him".
He is blaming "a" Republican, not "all" Republicans.
If you don't see the difference between someone going "this Republican is a dick" and "Republicans are dicks," it's really your problem with processing words, not mine.
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Date: 2009-07-23 03:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-23 03:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-24 06:28 am (UTC)