politicartoons | I, personally, think it's funny as hell that Saddam is pretty much saying 'F*ck off' to this whole b

From people who work in the federal government, or their children, economic classes and people who work at the world bank and their children as well, people who work in the private sector, and government contractors, human rights lawyers, people working with non-profits, low level people at the Pentagon. I'm social. It's also work culture, most of the stuff is classified but people still gossip about what isn't; it's bureaucrat culture and everyone thinks their boss is a moron! Where do you get your information? It strikes me as very biased, like you looked it all up yourself. It doesn't strike me that you have any primary sources. It is very unprofessional.

I've also talked to immigrants from all over the world, they just show up at my university and local coffee shop. I drink coffee. If you want to find out about what's going on in Africa, talk to an african!! If you want to get an idea of what arabs think how about 9/11 or the fiasco in Iraq, ask some muslims. Our Palistinians and Hilal groups worked together to put on a comedy show for peace in the middle east. These things are happening. If they aren't where you live, I am very sorry but the world is a lot more mixed then you imply, everyone has a different opinion.

Do you ever do anything but read political commentary?

As a matter of fact, I talk to the same people that you do (I also drink coffee). Except children of federal employees - that's the only one you mentioned that I don't talk to. Economics classes confirm Marx very strongly, I've found.

Yes, I do plenty besides read commentary, like work and socialize, etc. It was interaction with a wide variety of people (including bosses) that led me to commentary in the first place.

I hope you realize that even primary sources are highly biased. Even when people hate their bosses, they often hold precisely the same worldview as them. I assume you know the deal.

Interesting that you would aboid corporate news outlets such as newspapers, TV news, radio, etc. Most people who hold your opinions subscribe regularly to such propaganda. I'm still not so certain that you avoid them. Your ideas parrot the corporate apologists exactly.

Economics classes confirm every political position. I am not saying that I am right or you are wrong, or even if it matters. I am saying you are extremely biased and very unprofessional. In short. I can't take you seriously because you have not expressed any original opinions. Of course primary sources are biased. People have opinions. That's why you talk to people who don't agree with everything you say, otherwise it is just intellectual masturbation. It's not the material you are quoting that concerns me. It is that you are closed minded.

I have studied this stuff formally as well. I am getting an economic degree with a specialization in the development of economic infastructure (my electives), and their problems. The reason that I have some idea of the type of work they would be doing in Iraq is that it is that infastructure and NGO's is what I've studied, and while it is a war zone the anarchy makes it not so very different from the types of problems they would face in Africa- besides being entirely different because of the population and their past history. I am also aware of what they leave out of papers as much as they put in, I can read around them; I am aware of what audiances they are designed for.

So who do you consider the corporate apologists, you mean people who intend to get jobs? Who are professional? Who are able to compromise long enough to get anything accomplished? Who want to actually accomplish something in Iraq besides leaving it to colapse into anarchy while people pat themselves on the back over how they took down G.W. Bush? Certainly, keep Bush out of control- but I think we owe something to the people there at this point. I am not sure what- it just seems you only see the anti-bush side, not so much of anything else. Being moderate doesn't make someone a corporate appologist, it just means you are able to see both sides.

I can see both sides. Which is why I think we owe it to Iraqis to quit the violent occupation. That would be a huge accomplishment, since the problem is not "civil war" or "anarchy" butrather the occupation that caused both of these things.

I work, have a BA, and will attend law school next year. I get in where I fit in, so to speak, and plan to make a living.

people are corporate apologists when they spout the entirely unoriginal viewpoints that you do, for example. I know my viewpoint is also unoriginal, but yours is even more typical (as well as paternalistic towards the brown people, etc).

Call me an asshole because I have an opinion I state unequivocally. I've equivocated endlessly and still change my viewpoint. sounds like you should open your mind more than me, though. at least I can admit I am biased. You honestly believe that you are unbiased. You are biased. Now you know. Online quibbling is the definition of mental masturbation. I hope you realize that. Think critically about yourself and your own opinions in the future. I do it a lot. You'll get used to it.

Just an opinion.

Getting a BA or a Law degree doesn't make you smart all it means is you study very narrow subjects of expertise.

You are entirely correct, for once.

Actaully that's pretty amazing that we agree on something. :)

I'm sure we agree on many more things than we disagree on.

It depends. I'm more into pragmatism then idealism. I'm not really all that into protest culture since they tend to clog up the roads and it just seems more productive to go after legislature directly, if that's the problem. The politicians just ignore them anyway and so does the city for the most part, it just messes up people's commute. It is mostly seen as free training on the city's tab for kids who wish to go into politics later. The big protests. Those they notice. There just aren't that many of them, only one or two a generation.

that's cute. you're like a cartoon of an iodeologue.

idealism is within pragmatism. There is an ideal the pragmatist strives for. your neat boxes are useless except for rationalizing a complex world you don't understand.

the landlords and bosses that get hanged and shot in every revolution think as you do. keep on keeping on!

No. I'm just myself. There is a difference between theorists and people who actually do the ground work. If you are anti-government fine. It just doesn't matter what your ideaology is if you don't have a vote at the table. Political movements take years to materialize, generations. The people who make contemporary decisions work within the system. I'm not really into feeling morally superior it's just not my personality. If I choose to get involved with policy it would be directly.

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