http://insidersav.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] insidersav.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] politicartoons2005-12-07 08:03 pm

[identity profile] psych0squirrel.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
He's not exactly making a good case for himself when he compairs the lack of a clean set of clothes to wiping out much of a villiage. Whether or not you (or I) agree it was politically astute to go into his country I don't think he is anymore legitimate then any other warlord, and he certainly doesn't seem to get it when he complains that he is not geting the royal treatment. Even in the middle ages they had methods of disposessing rulers they thought were iligetimate, it's just ussually the people of the actual country had more to do with the process.

[identity profile] megiloth.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
Saddam is pretty much saying 'F*ck off' to this whole bullshit trial

Yeah, but he doesn't have the finesse of Dick "Big Time" Cheney.

but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial.

America...FUCK YEAH! (http://www.megiloth.com/sounds/america_fuckyeah.wav)

[identity profile] ceejayoz.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not Pro-Saddam at all, but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial."

Uh... would you use that same argument to denounce the Nuremberg war crimes trials?

I opposed the Iraq war, but that doesn't mean I think Saddam shouldn't stand trial for his crimes. I'd prefer the US drop their pigheaded opposition to the ICC, but given how the Milosevic trial has gone perhaps it's better that the Iraqis will have Saddam hung within a couple months.

[identity profile] nallyo.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 07:03 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not Pro-Saddam at all, but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial."

When the duly appointed officials of the UN refuse to recognize the laws that they make, the US has a duty to prevent the world from screwing itself up again.

[identity profile] motherginsberg.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
you and i agree.

[identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial'

In this case the US/CIA put the leader there in the first place.

[identity profile] the-hamburglar.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right, we shouldn't be using a western style court, let's just go ahead with the public execution.

[identity profile] tbonestg.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial."

We're not putting Saddam on trial, the Iraqis are. If the West was to put Saddam on trial, it'd be another embaressment in the Hague.

[identity profile] tbonestg.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm, self-loathing Americans often throw this statement around, but rarely have the slightest bit of evidence to back it up.

Where's yours?

[identity profile] biflspud.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
"Self loathing Americans"? Right-wing zealots often throw this statement around, but rarely do they actually know that people actually hate themselves.

[identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saddam/interviews/aburish.html is a good start. And http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html (with sources and quotes)

In '59, when he was 22, Saddam tried to assassinate the Iraqi leader. In '63 a "CIA-organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and Saddam's Ba'ath Party came to power... Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and [became] head of Iraq's secret service." (second URL above)

OK, the CIA didn't explicitly anoint him the new ruler, but according to those sources they did put the small party (850 members) into power, of which he was a high ranking member.

[identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
It would be more convincing if the US had signed up to the ICC. They haven't even signed up to the international convention on the rights of the child, which only 1 other country has not signed up to.

[identity profile] zombiesmustdie.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
your icon makes my brain explode

[identity profile] metamadman.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah it's a sham...

[identity profile] i-muad-dib.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
What is wrong with the Milosevic trial?
If ever they manage to stabilize his health, he is going away for a looong time.
The preceedings have functioned brilliantly, giving him no manovering possibility.

[identity profile] i-muad-dib.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
++which only 1 other country has not signed up to.++

Yup. Somalia.
The US is in great company.

[identity profile] i-muad-dib.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
suuuuuure.

[identity profile] nacreousflaneur.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. We can't let him become a martyr. We have to keep him alive until he becomes a drooling vegetable unable to change his own adult diapers, and then we take pictures of Lynndie Englund pointing at his genitals.

[identity profile] vlion.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
*yawn*
Personally, I don't see why he just didn't get disappeared.

[identity profile] vlion.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
agree.
change the icon

[identity profile] vlion.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The word is sovereign.

Cry more dude.

[identity profile] jimb.livejournal.com 2005-12-08 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Nobody is as smooth as big Dick.

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