The "larger issue" is that the number of Palestinians killed during the second Intifada, is 4,050, including 751 children, 236 women, 344 security men, 836 students and teachers and 325 militants, 50 people were killed during Jewish settlers' assaults on Palestinian residents in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, 1,922 people were from the West Bank and 2,128 from the Gaza Strip, adding they were killed from Sept. 29, 2000 to June 30, 2005.
Obviously there is always a good excuse for killing Palestinian children and women...
"3) when Palestinians stop killing children and women, or sending their own out strapped with bombs, well... I guess then they'll be at peace."
This one goes to "my favourite collection of excuses for killing Palestinians" book. :)
When Israeli troops stop killing stone throwing kids, demolish homes and occupy Gaza and West Bank, I guess then it will be peace. Otherwise it's just cheap rethoric.
Palestinean kids need to learn to stop throwing stones. Some, many, are innocent and expressing their discontent, but it is not a constructive way.
There are a number of pro-palestinean documentaries out there which show the stone throwing, and yes, while some is harmless, some is not.
I am sure you have heard the story of David and Goliath. David uses the sling to defeat the giant. There are two morals of that story, the overlooked one is that the sling is still a powerfull weapon. Slings had long been used militarily in the same way that longbowmen were used by the English, though slingers are much easier to train and equip.
What it comes down to is that many of the kids "throwing rocks" are throwing rocks with 3-4 foot long slings capable of tossing good size chunks of concrete hundreds of feet. These slabs when they land do not harmlessly bounce of helmets or buildings.
Furthermore, the return fire experienced is relativly light, and usualy not aimed at the people throwing rocks. Most of the wounds are not center mass wounds (as would be expected with bullets aimed at hitting the people), and most of the bullets hit the ground first, as can be evidenced by watching the impact dust clouds in the videos.
While the actions of the Isreali's are not clean, they are very much, in most of these cases not at fault, though it would be nice to see them start carrying more ltl weapons that they could use in the situations, but that would require them to get close to the mobs, which might just be a death sentence.
"What it comes down to is that many of the kids "throwing rocks" are throwing rocks with 3-4 foot long slings capable of tossing good size chunks of concrete hundreds of feet."
Nothing compared to IDF troops, wearing Kevlar helmets, bullet proof vests, armoured cars and full auto M16 rifles, good man...
"Furthermore, the return fire experienced is relativly light, and usualy not aimed at the people throwing rocks."
Ah hello again scum, nice to see you're still scum, sad to see you're still here. Anyway, could you tell me how old one is a 'child' until, and what the Palestinian terror groups have as the minimum age before which you can sign up as a 'soldier'?
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Date: 2005-07-08 11:26 am (UTC)Both this and your cartoon ignore the larger issue, which is fault on both sides.
Should be getting better with Arafat gone though.
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Date: 2005-07-08 11:34 am (UTC)Obviously there is always a good excuse for killing Palestinian children and women...
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Date: 2005-07-08 11:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-08 11:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-08 11:55 am (UTC)Definitely!
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Date: 2005-07-08 12:06 pm (UTC):)
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Date: 2005-07-08 12:53 pm (UTC)1)lie for whoever posts them,
2)in the case of war, doubly so, due to high improbability someone impartial is keeping an accurate count.
oh and 3) when Palestinians stop killing children and women, or sending their own out strapped with bombs, well... I guess then they'll be at peace.
Take that however you want.
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Date: 2005-07-08 12:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-08 01:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-08 01:14 pm (UTC)This one goes to "my favourite collection of excuses for killing Palestinians" book.
:)
When Israeli troops stop killing stone throwing kids, demolish homes and occupy Gaza and West Bank, I guess then it will be peace. Otherwise it's just cheap rethoric.
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Date: 2005-07-08 01:21 pm (UTC)"One who condones evils is just as guilty as the one who perpetrates it."
-Martin Luther King Jr.
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." - Blaise Pascal
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Date: 2005-07-08 01:32 pm (UTC)There are a number of pro-palestinean documentaries out there which show the stone throwing, and yes, while some is harmless, some is not.
I am sure you have heard the story of David and Goliath. David uses the sling to defeat the giant. There are two morals of that story, the overlooked one is that the sling is still a powerfull weapon. Slings had long been used militarily in the same way that longbowmen were used by the English, though slingers are much easier to train and equip.
What it comes down to is that many of the kids "throwing rocks" are throwing rocks with 3-4 foot long slings capable of tossing good size chunks of concrete hundreds of feet. These slabs when they land do not harmlessly bounce of helmets or buildings.
Furthermore, the return fire experienced is relativly light, and usualy not aimed at the people throwing rocks. Most of the wounds are not center mass wounds (as would be expected with bullets aimed at hitting the people), and most of the bullets hit the ground first, as can be evidenced by watching the impact dust clouds in the videos.
While the actions of the Isreali's are not clean, they are very much, in most of these cases not at fault, though it would be nice to see them start carrying more ltl weapons that they could use in the situations, but that would require them to get close to the mobs, which might just be a death sentence.
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Date: 2005-07-08 01:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-08 01:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-08 01:38 pm (UTC)Nothing compared to IDF troops, wearing Kevlar helmets, bullet proof vests, armoured cars and full auto M16 rifles, good man...
"Furthermore, the return fire experienced is relativly light, and usualy not aimed at the people throwing rocks."
Tell it to the 751 Palestinian children...
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Date: 2005-07-08 02:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-08 02:27 pm (UTC)I can't miss the chance of striking a nerve of a right-winger...
Hehehehehehe!
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Date: 2005-07-08 02:30 pm (UTC)