Palestinean kids need to learn to stop throwing stones. Some, many, are innocent and expressing their discontent, but it is not a constructive way.
There are a number of pro-palestinean documentaries out there which show the stone throwing, and yes, while some is harmless, some is not.
I am sure you have heard the story of David and Goliath. David uses the sling to defeat the giant. There are two morals of that story, the overlooked one is that the sling is still a powerfull weapon. Slings had long been used militarily in the same way that longbowmen were used by the English, though slingers are much easier to train and equip.
What it comes down to is that many of the kids "throwing rocks" are throwing rocks with 3-4 foot long slings capable of tossing good size chunks of concrete hundreds of feet. These slabs when they land do not harmlessly bounce of helmets or buildings.
Furthermore, the return fire experienced is relativly light, and usualy not aimed at the people throwing rocks. Most of the wounds are not center mass wounds (as would be expected with bullets aimed at hitting the people), and most of the bullets hit the ground first, as can be evidenced by watching the impact dust clouds in the videos.
While the actions of the Isreali's are not clean, they are very much, in most of these cases not at fault, though it would be nice to see them start carrying more ltl weapons that they could use in the situations, but that would require them to get close to the mobs, which might just be a death sentence.
"What it comes down to is that many of the kids "throwing rocks" are throwing rocks with 3-4 foot long slings capable of tossing good size chunks of concrete hundreds of feet."
Nothing compared to IDF troops, wearing Kevlar helmets, bullet proof vests, armoured cars and full auto M16 rifles, good man...
"Furthermore, the return fire experienced is relativly light, and usualy not aimed at the people throwing rocks."
Ah hello again scum, nice to see you're still scum, sad to see you're still here. Anyway, could you tell me how old one is a 'child' until, and what the Palestinian terror groups have as the minimum age before which you can sign up as a 'soldier'?
Well you've failed, I'm a socialist - I just haven't had my reality warped by hatred of my own country, or of jews, or whatever it is turned you into the nazi in such a very unconvincing communist disguise you are today.
But it is you see, because I think that it is a bad thing when innocent people die, and a worse thing when the innocent deaths were the primary objective, and a worse thing still when the overall objective is theocratic dictatorship. peaceful multicultural democracy > murderous jihadi mortocracy.
Some of them are taking revenge for what was done to their families, friends and societies. Ya know, an eye for an eye. What makes your outrage right and theirs flawed?
The fact that they express their outrage by anonymously killing non-combatants without warning or explanation, and I express mine by stating it, explaining the reasons, and seeking democratic support for ways to resolve the situation, with physical force used only if necessary, only through the appropriate authorities, keeping as close as possible to legitimate targets, and with a defined objective and end-point.
The fact that they express their outrage by anonymously killing non-combatants without warning or explanation
Neither do we or Israel.
and seeking democratic support for ways to resolve the situation
Since when do we give a shit about democracy? It is all about western interests, nothing more.
with physical force used only if necessary
AHAHAHAH You need a history lesson, dude..
only through the appropriate authorities, keeping as close as possible to legitimate targets, and with a defined objective and end-point.
And you can tell me with a straight face that this is what Israel does or that the US's foreign policy in the last 100 years has always been about this right?
Aww, our local jew-hater has a little fwend, bless. Note that it didn't actually tell me anything, truth or lie, it just avoided the question I'd asked in favour of the usual 'haha the jihad is so *funny*'
Him: "That's my opinion." You: "I disagree with you, you poopyhead!" Me: "Hey, I agree with you, the one that call you poopyhead is st00pid." You: "Aaawww, how sweeeet, are you two going to maaaa~ry?!!"
A man goes to the zoo and sees the lion sitting in his cage. The lion ignores him and goes about his business, lounging around and having a nice nap.
The man, angerd that he did not get the attention he wanted, climbs the fence and enters the cage. The lion ignores him a bit more and continues his nap, being well fed and happy. The man walks up to the face of the lion, and yells as loud as he can, still angry that the lion pays him no heed. The lion turns and roars right in the mans face.
The man, unshaken at the roar, laughs at the impotence of the lion, and kicks the lion in the gut lightly.
The lion then proceeds to maul the man until he is dead.
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There are a number of pro-palestinean documentaries out there which show the stone throwing, and yes, while some is harmless, some is not.
I am sure you have heard the story of David and Goliath. David uses the sling to defeat the giant. There are two morals of that story, the overlooked one is that the sling is still a powerfull weapon. Slings had long been used militarily in the same way that longbowmen were used by the English, though slingers are much easier to train and equip.
What it comes down to is that many of the kids "throwing rocks" are throwing rocks with 3-4 foot long slings capable of tossing good size chunks of concrete hundreds of feet. These slabs when they land do not harmlessly bounce of helmets or buildings.
Furthermore, the return fire experienced is relativly light, and usualy not aimed at the people throwing rocks. Most of the wounds are not center mass wounds (as would be expected with bullets aimed at hitting the people), and most of the bullets hit the ground first, as can be evidenced by watching the impact dust clouds in the videos.
While the actions of the Isreali's are not clean, they are very much, in most of these cases not at fault, though it would be nice to see them start carrying more ltl weapons that they could use in the situations, but that would require them to get close to the mobs, which might just be a death sentence.
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Nothing compared to IDF troops, wearing Kevlar helmets, bullet proof vests, armoured cars and full auto M16 rifles, good man...
"Furthermore, the return fire experienced is relativly light, and usualy not aimed at the people throwing rocks."
Tell it to the 751 Palestinian children...
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I can't miss the chance of striking a nerve of a right-winger...
Hehehehehehe!
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Why are you not outraged about that?
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<> Devil's advocate
Some of them are taking revenge for what was done to their families, friends and societies. Ya know, an eye for an eye.
What makes your outrage right and theirs flawed?
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His beliefs are of no use when force has already been exercised.
-and see if you can use a quote that I have not heard over a gajillion times.
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Oh, and remember, you still have your Godwin's Law lifeline, among other copouts to avoid real discussion!
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Neither do we or Israel.
and seeking democratic support for ways to resolve the situation
Since when do we give a shit about democracy?
It is all about western interests, nothing more.
with physical force used only if necessary
AHAHAHAH
You need a history lesson, dude..
only through the appropriate authorities, keeping as close as possible to legitimate targets, and with a defined objective and end-point.
And you can tell me with a straight face that this is what Israel does or that the US's foreign policy in the last 100 years has always been about this right?
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I think you can say it again...hehehehe!
It's funny to look at them calling names in vain fury.
That's what makes life worth living.
Hehehehehehe!
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You: "I disagree with you, you poopyhead!"
Me: "Hey, I agree with you, the one that call you poopyhead is st00pid."
You: "Aaawww, how sweeeet, are you two going to maaaa~ry?!!"
Kindergarden all over again.
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Him: Isn't it great when jihadis kill white people, especially jews because they gentile baybees
to drink their blood.Me: How old exactly are these babies, could a lot of them in fact just be young jihadi soldiers?
Him: Hahhah well I just like to annoy you, I just use dead jews to do it
You: Hey, it's fun annoying that guy, let's go kill some more jews
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The man, angerd that he did not get the attention he wanted, climbs the fence and enters the cage. The lion ignores him a bit more and continues his nap, being well fed and happy. The man walks up to the face of the lion, and yells as loud as he can, still angry that the lion pays him no heed. The lion turns and roars right in the mans face.
The man, unshaken at the roar, laughs at the impotence of the lion, and kicks the lion in the gut lightly.
The lion then proceeds to maul the man until he is dead.
obviously the lion is at fault