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Re: Tax the poor

Date: 2009-03-09 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
Say there, how much does Exxon Mobil make?

I got even money they make more than the "entire bottom 50% of individual taxpayers."

Re: Tax the poor

Date: 2009-03-09 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polyanarch.livejournal.com
Rush Limburger is nearly as stupid as you. He believes that drug-abusers should be in jail. Why isn't he there himself?

Try again. I'm not in his party...

Date: 2009-03-09 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
I don't have to cheat to play with the numbers. There are a number of different options and programs available to shelter income. Now might be a good time to start a 401k program or other retirement plan under the S-corp instead of just personally. One car is leased by the company so far but not ours. We've talked about it but not yet. My car won't ever be because I seldom ever have to drive for the business. However, my wife spends half her week going to client locations.

We don't cheat. With CPA certifications on the line, it's not worth the risk. But, also being a husband and father, I would be remiss if I didn't try to get the maximum advantage from the programs I will end up sponsoring.

Date: 2009-03-09 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
I'm good wit dat.

Re: old propaganda

Date: 2009-03-09 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
Do you take any deductions on your taxes? If so then you are just as bad as all those terrible evil corporations.

Date: 2009-03-09 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
Worked better than the other way around. See: the economy between 1929 and the beginning of WWII.

Re: Tax the poor

Date: 2009-03-09 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
I keep forgetting that "profit" is an evil word for liberals.

Re: Tax the poor

Date: 2009-03-09 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
Depends on whose asshole gets sore while you "profit" from it.

Date: 2009-03-09 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
yeah. we definitely should let people starve on the streets, and it is criminal to provide security for the elderly. how dare we as a country care about anything but the contents of your fucking pocket?

Date: 2009-03-09 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
or maybe you could just give enough extra to a worthy charity to put you under 250K, but heaven forbid you should actually help another human being out.
Edited Date: 2009-03-09 06:56 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-03-09 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
And what about the economy from 1776 to 1929?

Date: 2009-03-09 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
top 2%?

Date: 2009-03-09 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
No can do. You see, charitable contributions are one of the things that the new Obama budget phases out.

Date: 2009-03-09 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
Typical over-reaction bullshit from a moron who can't understand that welfare and social security are government's way of telling you that you are too stupid to take care of yoruself. Well, in your case the government may be correct.

Date: 2009-03-09 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
oh really? first i've heard of it. show me please.

Re: Tax the poor

Date: 2009-03-09 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
I know. It's so terrible how investors get returns for taking a risk or that companies increase payroll through expanding. Such a terrible way to use profit.

Re: old propaganda

Date: 2009-03-09 07:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-03-09 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
i don't benefit from either one now, although i might get some social security when i retire. it is a pension plan that i paid into. got a problem with that? i am happy with my taxes going to help people who need it, even if some people take advantage of the system. i find it disgusting that you are willing to let actual needy people suffer and use a few freeloaders to justify lowering your taxes out of pure, unadulterated greed. you are standing against everything i value in America. we are better than you.

Date: 2009-03-09 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
Read his proposed budget. Educate yourself. It's one of the favorite parts of the budget to the left (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/07/MNEE16AJT5.DTL).

You see, if you kill the private charities, everyone will have to rely on the government. Simple control.

Re: Tax the poor

Date: 2009-03-09 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
That ain't the part I'm complaining about. It's when 100,000 people get laid off and the executive team all get 100 million dollar bonuses for doing such a great job keeping the profit margin high by laying off 100,000 people. Which happens far, far too often.

Date: 2009-03-09 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
you point me to one nonspecific line in a newspaper article as proof? please. have youread the budget?

a return to the tax rates of Clinton, and the deduction levels of your hero Reagan is not the socialism you are so afraid of.

Date: 2009-03-09 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
Your ignorance is not my problem.

Date: 2009-03-09 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ltmurdoch.livejournal.com
I don't know if I've seen you say it, but I think that anyone who calls Obama a socialist is being insincere.

But, I think you miss an opportunity to influence others when you say "Your ignorance is not my problem." In fact, it's untrue. I assume "i" votes. And perhaps if you pointed out specifically where Obama proposes to eliminate charitable deductions for those earning more than $X, then perhaps you'd help change minds.

FYI, I'm an Obama fan who has been disappointed in SOME of the stuff he's proposed. I'd love for him to move closer to the center. Although I still think we are much, much, much, MUCH better hands than we were 8 weeks ago.

Date: 2009-03-09 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
Dude, more than half this country voted for George Bush twice.

The United States is far, FAR too stupid to take care of itself.

Date: 2009-03-09 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
I never said I would let needy people suffer. And if I did, please show it.

I believe that bigger government doesn't solve problems. It's been proven with 70 years of welfare and 40 years of the war on poverty. It's disgusting that you are willing to keep people enslaved to the government in order to survive instead of allowing them to be free. You are standing against everything our founding fathers believed in.
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