http://drunken-leper.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] drunken-leper.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] politicartoons2007-05-15 09:14 am

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and in case you don't get the joke already, here's the clip

[identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Sick and sad and true.

I wonder what they'd do if they finally did get everything they wanted, Israel gone or at least out of their face, etc. Probably start killing each other over some minor point of doctrine, like in Iraq or Ireland or Bosnia.

[identity profile] kashkool.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi there...
Antisemitism is a fanatical hatred felt for the Jewish people. This racist ideology has caused millions of innocent Jews to be killed, persecuted, exiled and threatened over the centuries.

Islam aims to bring justice to the world. Just as it denounces all kinds of racism, so it denounces antisemitism. Muslims criticize Zionism, but defend the right of Jews to live in peace and security.

Jews in Islamic Societies
http://www.islam-online.net/English/Society/2001/02/article19.shtml

Muslims and Jews in the West
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporary/2003/06/Article01.shtml

Muslim View on Jews and Judaism
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporary/2003/06/article01a.shtml

Jews for Allah
http://www.jews-for-allah.org

[identity profile] atreides74.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
*shudder*

That is horribly disturbing.

[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Pretty damn vile, I'd say.
A people may be subject, and subjected: but the militarising of children is beyond belief. Madness and vileness and despair. Thankfully, these have now been taken off air.

[identity profile] readwriteblue.livejournal.com 2007-05-19 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
IAWTC

[identity profile] metamadman.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Kids make great soldiers. They are quick and agile and have great hand-eye coordination. And when most of your able bodied men are either dead or imprisoned by a foreign occupation, what other option do you have?

[identity profile] metamadman.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Some day you will be forcibly removed from your comfort bubble to see reality where 98% of the people on this planet live.

[identity profile] metamadman.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
they way you just make shit up to suit your own needs is hilarious.

[identity profile] atreides74.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
You don't know shit about what I know or see, so keep your fucking comments to yourself.

However, indoctrinating children to hate and kill... No wonder there's an endless circle of violence there.
I can only hope you are not seriously defending the idea of teaching children to kill.

[identity profile] metamadman.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Your initial comment seemed dismissive and ignorant, but I may be wrong in that impression as it may have been simply ignorant to make a comment without thinking ahead as to how it would be perceived.

Of course I'm not defending it, I don't have to. Violence and hate are the norm. Children are indoctrinated to hate the world over whether it be jews, fags, the poor, commies, or muslims. And once you have the hate it's not a long way to go to murder.

But if you and your family and friends were faced with genocide what would you do?

[identity profile] atreides74.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't defend Israel's policies in regards to the Palestinians. And I do sympathize with them, and I understand why they feel as they do. However, I disagree with the methods employed. And I will always disagree with terrorists who attack civilians. I understand if they attack soldiers. That's a military target. But that's not what they are doing for the most part. Usually they go after civilians because they are easier to get at. And shows like that are teaching their children to do the exact same thing.

And no, don't bother to point out that Palestinian civilians suffer as well. I don't condone Israel killing Palestinian civilians either.

[identity profile] goumindong.livejournal.com 2007-05-17 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
Civilians are a military target.

Welcome to earth, circa. Any time in human history.

[identity profile] aerorhcp.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Well i wouldnt have mickey mouse teach my children to kill the people who threaten me thats for sure. Even when i was a kid and communism was public enemy number 1. GI Joe wasnt hunting russia down. I was indoctorinated at a young age to hunt down cobra commander and the decepticons.

Now i know what your response will be. That we lived in a different world than those people. Where we are relatively safe. Well possibly, but dont forget about the cold war. Either side could have wiped out the other at a push of a button.
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[identity profile] atreides74.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with you, to a point. And that point is when he starts making assumptions about me, my knowledge, and my experiences. At that point, I am perfectly justified in telling him to keep his fucking comments to himself. But I was not telling him not to express his political views by any means.

[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"And when most of your able bodied men are either dead or imprisoned by a foreign occupation, what other option do you have?"
Gandhi's?
Martin Luther King's?
Tolstoy's?

[identity profile] metamadman.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Touché. But I don't think that any of those you mentioned were battling genocide. Non-violence very may well be effective in winning a moral victory against oppression and tyranny, but in the case of genocide you may just be playing into the hand of those seeking to utterly destroy you. Looking at history and human behavior it doesn't seem that violence or conflict will ever be eliminated. All we can hope to do is find more efficient ways to sublimate or re-direct those behaviors.
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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I still hope that Israel can be shamed into good behaviour, and that it isn't the equivalent of the Nazi regime. Perhaps I err, but I would prefer to be right rather than otherwise on this matter.

[identity profile] omer.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
people use the word 'genocide' too lightly. like its something paris hilton wore.

[identity profile] metamadman.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Genocide Convention 1948

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

[identity profile] omer.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I dont think the purpose of any of the sides in the israeli-palestinian conflict is to annihilate the other side.
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[identity profile] omer.livejournal.com 2007-05-16 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
small things... <3

[identity profile] homais.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
The translation may be off:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_whitaker/2007/05/arabic_under_fire.html

If whittaker is right, the thing is still pretty damn disturbing, but it's not about killing anyone. It's about getting bravely shot - as opposed to killing people - for Palestine. As I said, still not exactly wholesome kids' programming, but not quite the way it's been spun.

[identity profile] jikun.livejournal.com 2007-05-17 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
Thats not cool. Why are the jews always hated? Sorry if this has been asked before, but I kinda want to know

[identity profile] readwriteblue.livejournal.com 2007-05-19 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
This is an Important topic. The leaders of Hamas are attempting to brainwash a generation of Palestinians into believing that the only good jew is a dead jew and that the only way to a heavenly reward is through a martyr's death. I believe that this is still being aired.