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Are you more a Carson person than a Trump person,
or are you hoping that Mitt Romney might still come in?

That wasn't the question or circumstances Carson was asked. But do try again.

As well as Hillary and Bernie.

Ben Carson: "I'm a member of the Christian Taliban. I don't believe in evolution, I think the big bang is a fairy tale. I don't want women to have controll over their own bodies. I'm a wealthy surgeon who thinks affordable healthcare is some form of slavery. I compare homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality. I don't have a clue what nazism was about. Yet somehow people think I wouldn't be a good president..."

Opinions of xenophobes doesn't count.

I am not a Carson person at all, though I like him very much. I am a TRUTH person.

Nice dodge! But Carson still wasn't asked *that* question.

What question? There is no question - only statements. What's wrong with you, why you did correct the spelling?

That comment is:

1. A matter of opinion
2. Beside the point

You know, the questions Chuck Todd asked on Sunday when Carson was on "Meet the Press" for an interview
Chuck Todd: "Does a president's faith matter? Should your faith matter to voters?"
Carson "It depends what faith it is...."
Chuck Todd: "Do you believe Islam is consistent with the Constitution?"
Carson: "No, I do not. I do not advocate we put a Muslim in charge of this nation...."

Carson wasn't asked the about the circumstances of a "radical Muslim" so the comic is a pretty stupid straw man. There is also a constitutional prohibition against religious test for any candidate for federal office:

United States Constitution Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

It's like a flood of non sequiturs!

telemann is referring to the fact that Ben Carson was not asked, nor did he state, that a RADICAL Muslim should not be president of the US. He simply stated that a MUSLIM should not be potus, and he didn't qualify that in any way.

The cartoon, on the other hand, specifically says "RADICAL Muslim," and the attitudes it describes are those of someone on the most radical extreme of the political spectrum. I highly doubt that anyone here (certainly not myself) would be in favor of a RADICAL Muslim such as the one depicted here being our president. However, ALL Muslims are NOT exactly alike, and they do NOT all have the attitudes shown in this cartoon. This is a clearly demonstrable fact. By saying "Muslim" with no other qualifications, Ben Carson demonstrated that he either does not understand or does not recognize the fact that there are differences or that NOT all Muslims are radical US-haters. In other words, he has demonstrated a lack of understanding of something that is very important for a president to have a full grasp of.

This cartoon would be a much more accurate reflection of Carson's statement if the character said: "I'm an American Muslim, who loves this country and supports its government. I don't believe in jihad or spreading my faith through violence. I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I respect the right of others to believe differently from me. Now why doesn't Ben Carson think I'd make a good president?"

I am just giving him hard time.

I think people are mixing 2 things. Many people consider themselves Christians, however do not believe in Christ as Savior. Same with muslims, some are from those area and born muslim, but do not drop on their knees 5 times a day. Carson was talking about the ones who really believe in Koran; here I absolutely agree with him.

Why?

Then why did you post this?

Well, I certainly agree that a radical Muslim who wants to destroy this country would be a bad choice to be its president. However, if I'm not mistaken, all Muslims believe in the Quran. They just don't all interpret it the same way.

1. The question of who would be the best president is, I think, obviously a matter of opinion. Whether Hillary, Bernie, or any of the people whose gravestones are depicted in the image would be a better president is therefore a matter of opinion, by definition.

2. I think that either Hillary or Bernie's fitness to be potus is beside the point in this particular discussion, because neither is a Muslim, and the topic under discussion is whether a Muslim should be president.

Looks like this:

Carson didn't say anything about radical Islam, or radical Muslims.

He said Islam was incompatible with the constitution.

That's bullshit.

ha!

yep.

No one is arguing that Syrian rebels should be President either.

A Christian, an atheist, a member of ANY religion or no religion at all as extreme as depicted in the cartoon would obviously be an unfit president. That does not mean that NO Christian or atheist or member of another religion would be a fit president.