[identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com 2015-03-31 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Re: the second pic. What's the implication? Is farming for human consumption (as opposed to animal - even if those animals are eventually destined for human consumption) better, environmentally?

I've heard that some crops are a more efficient food source than animals, but I'm not sure as to details. I know there's talk about certain varieties of rice as being a potential vehicle for combating world hunger.

[identity profile] immemor.livejournal.com 2015-03-31 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
If I understand correctly: It takes more water to feed cattle than it does to feed humans.It takes around 600 gallons of water to produce one cheeseburger. So animal farming wastes more water.

[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2015-03-31 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
We could do a lot better. Almonds are currently mostly "flood farmed" which means they flood the almond tree fields. You can also grow Almonds with more efficient targeted irrigation and that transformation is overdue.

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[identity profile] drivebyluna.livejournal.com 2015-03-31 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah we've already made the decision to switch to eating peanuts once our snack bag from Costco runs out.

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[identity profile] immemor.livejournal.com 2015-04-01 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
I was surprised too. I just learned about all the water almonds require from watching John Oliver.

[identity profile] blackdwarv.livejournal.com 2015-04-05 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem with this figure is that it is over the 3-5 years it takes to grow a calf up to slaughterable age. It's *technically* true, but it conflates 1-3 harvests of a plant-based food source with a food source that takes many years to harvest.

...the most water-efficient source of protein? Crickets.

[identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com 2015-03-31 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
The idea of that kind of drought hitting our country is terrifying.

What in the hell are we doing to ourselves?
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[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2015-03-31 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Those palm trees are actually not so bad *once established*. Problem is that they are often grown and then replanted fully grown with is very brown process, lots of C02 produced and lots of water needed to establish them.


California will likely return to its pre-20th century natural ecology: semi-arid, a patchwork of grassland, chaparral, sage scrub, and oak woodland

If we let it happen.

http://www.californiachaparral.com/

[identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com 2015-04-01 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
For obvious reasons, water conservation is also a big deal in Arizona. Phoenix and Tucson get their water from the Colorado, and we have to share it with Los Angeles. People have sunk so many wells in the last 100 years that formerly perennial rivers like the Santa Cruz are now completely dry except during flash floods, and the ecosystems that those rivers supported have changed radically. The water table is slowly recovering now, but it's nowhere near what it was.

The upside is that things like rainwater harvesting, landscaping with native vegetation, composting toilets, etc., are already trendy here. Grade school children learn about aquaponics. The Tohono O'odham cultivate and sell a variety of bean that is one of the most drought-tolerant crops in the world. And in fact, even a desert city like Tucson could be completely sustained by the rain that falls on it. (Well, maybe not the golf courses.) Until recently, the city treated rainwater as waste to be disposed of as quickly as possible. But that's changing, too.

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[identity profile] cindyanne1.livejournal.com 2015-04-01 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
That doesn't surprise me with regards to Ohio at all. The vast majority of our corn gets sold to Trillium Farms' Croton branch http://www.trilliumfarmsohio.com/ for chicken feed.

[identity profile] immemor.livejournal.com 2015-04-01 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm in Ohio, too. I was surprised we were this high. I always thought it was somewhere in the 50/50 range.

[identity profile] cindyanne1.livejournal.com 2015-04-01 10:47 am (UTC)(link)
Also, too, this map doesn't always mean that animals in Ohio are eating the grain. China buys a lot of our (meaning America's) grain to feed chickens as well.

Just from eyeballing the map, it looks like the "grain producer" states are the animal feeders and the "veggie producer" states are the people feeders.

[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2015-04-01 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Beautifully understated!

[identity profile] blackdwarv.livejournal.com 2015-04-05 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Not sure if I believe the bottom map. I know for a fact that the biggest crop in California is alfalfa... which is generally used for more expensive animals like horses or pets. Not large feedlot animals.

[identity profile] blackdwarv.livejournal.com 2015-04-05 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
...not in terms of water use.

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[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2015-04-07 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow.

[identity profile] wurzel-zweig.livejournal.com 2015-04-06 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
I realize the chart aims to make some high horse moralistic point, but those other states actually HAVE plenty ofwater.

[identity profile] wurzel-zweig.livejournal.com 2015-04-06 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, really. Nobody would be talking about California right now if they were just a bit yellow like those mostly meat producing states. And a bunch of them are next to those reeeally gargantuan lakes.

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[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2015-04-08 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
There is much drought in USA, but the issue is broader than raw water consumption. The emissions that come from animal agriculture are about equal to natural gas and petroleum production. Meat is vastly more destructive when it comes to water consumption, water pollution, and greenhouse gas emissions. And global warming is exacerbating California's drought (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/03/02/record-california-drought-linked-to-climate-change).