[identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com 2014-07-07 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
No, science is not handwaving, but neither has it uncovered the origin of the universe, but only gives us a good hypothesis, and to say more is handwaving.

I'm not looking to live under priests or sharia law myself, but I am only pointing out that they do still enjoy a little ground of philosophical respectability on the God question, in that we are not able to refute it as conclusively as, say, the idea that the earth is flat.

[identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com 2014-07-07 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but science is not saying "There is no god." It's saying "there is no evidence for a god." That's all. It just says: "here is what we know, the rest is speculation, and trying to pin it on the feet of a magic skyman is inappropriate."

[identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com 2014-07-07 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but science is not saying "There is no god."

And so long as science is unable to say that (which, I'm afraid, is forever, right?), we will always have to deal with these sectarians, along with the fact that the vast majority of people fall under the sway of these sectarians. Not only must we give them some place under our Constitution, we have to worry about not having to beg them to respect us and let us be. They have the power hand.

[identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com 2014-07-08 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
but neither has it uncovered the origin of the universe

The origin of the universe is actually really irrelevant to science. Seriously. Science is not looking to explain Why, only How. Why is irrelevant.

but I am only pointing out that they do still enjoy a little ground of philosophical respectability on the God question

That is because Science and Religion are non-overlapping magisteria.