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politicartoons2013-03-24 12:17 am
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But, but, but... cell phones and baseball bats!
Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat with a baseball bat.
Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat with a baseball bat.
I presume these are firearm homicides.
First of all, in a country of 311 million people, a lot of crazy shit is going to go down every single day. In 98 days, about half a million Americans die. In light of that, 2,243 homicides is not the terrifying epidemic some people make it out to be.
More importantly, there is no evidence that restricting gun ownership would reduce that figure. Since Australia banned many types of firearms, their homicide rate has continued its 30-year decline unaffected. And since the UK did the same, their homicide rate has held steady as it did for 20 years prior. But in many other ways, the bans actually made things significantly worse (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html). Note especially Australia's 40% increase in assaults and 20% increase in sexual assaults.
So... what are you expecting us to "learn" here?
First of all, in a country of 311 million people, a lot of crazy shit is going to go down every single day. In 98 days, about half a million Americans die. In light of that, 2,243 homicides is not the terrifying epidemic some people make it out to be.
More importantly, there is no evidence that restricting gun ownership would reduce that figure. Since Australia banned many types of firearms, their homicide rate has continued its 30-year decline unaffected. And since the UK did the same, their homicide rate has held steady as it did for 20 years prior. But in many other ways, the bans actually made things significantly worse (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html). Note especially Australia's 40% increase in assaults and 20% increase in sexual assaults.
So... what are you expecting us to "learn" here?
And the tobacco deaths! Don't get me started on texting while driving!
Note especially Australia's 40% increase in assaults and 20% increase in sexual assaults.
And do you think allowing more people to have semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns would decrease the number of assaults, sexual and otherwise?
Find me an Australian living in Australia that would rather have your system of gun control than ours, then make assumptions about whether the bans have made things significantly worse.
And do you think allowing more people to have semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns would decrease the number of assaults, sexual and otherwise?
Find me an Australian living in Australia that would rather have your system of gun control than ours, then make assumptions about whether the bans have made things significantly worse.
I'm guessing the op was run over by Lindsay Lohan while she was texting and driving. It happens a lot in the L.A. area.
So how many of these assaults were fatal even assuming that 40% increase is correct. And how many Australians have been killed in mass shootings since April 1996? I can think of one university student who shot and killed two class mates since then.
So here's another Australian glad to be living under our draconian dictatorial gun restrictions (not to mention our communist totalitarian government run health care system)
So here's another Australian glad to be living under our draconian dictatorial gun restrictions (not to mention our communist totalitarian government run health care system)
Well, I learned gun nutz have little to nothing to offer the victims of gun violence.
Except the only thing they really need, MORE GUNS!!
Edited 2013-03-24 16:13 (UTC)
It appears that banning those weapons did increase the number of assaults.
Of course, correlation is not causation. But we can't run controlled experiments on real societies, so the best way to tease out causality is to observe what happens in one society when the variable we're interested in changes. And it doesn't look good for gun control.
Of course, correlation is not causation. But we can't run controlled experiments on real societies, so the best way to tease out causality is to observe what happens in one society when the variable we're interested in changes. And it doesn't look good for gun control.
Mass shootings are a vanishingly small fraction of all homicides, even in the US. Basing any social policy on them is idiocy. The goal should be to reduce homicide and crime overall.
Your gun restrictions have had no effect on homicide, and have only increased other crimes. The same is true in the UK. When people push for the same thing in the US, it's giving them the benefit of the doubt to call them ignorant. Because the alternative is that they're stupid or evil.
Your gun restrictions have had no effect on homicide, and have only increased other crimes. The same is true in the UK. When people push for the same thing in the US, it's giving them the benefit of the doubt to call them ignorant. Because the alternative is that they're stupid or evil.
Not when what they want is public policy that will make things worse. I won't give them an inch.
Your gun restrictions have had no effect on homicide. . . .
Quite true. It's time to end this silly discussion about guns being the problem, and start focusing on the real culprit, income inequality (http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/research/violence).
Of course, when you combine massive income inequality with ubiquitous firearm ownership, as you can see the graph spikes a bit from the trend line.
Quite true. It's time to end this silly discussion about guns being the problem, and start focusing on the real culprit, income inequality (http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/research/violence).
Of course, when you combine massive income inequality with ubiquitous firearm ownership, as you can see the graph spikes a bit from the trend line.
It appears that banning those weapons did increase the number of assaults.
Excellent. It appears you've made some connection between the ability of members of society to have semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns (which I assume members of the USA are allowed to have) and the increase/decrease in the number of assaults in a society.
Can you direct me to any instances that have been reported in the USA news media in the last five years where owning semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns (as opposed to owning a handgun) have prevented assaults? I'm not even restricting it to preventing massacres; any simple assault will do.
Edited to change icon. I like consistency.
Excellent. It appears you've made some connection between the ability of members of society to have semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns (which I assume members of the USA are allowed to have) and the increase/decrease in the number of assaults in a society.
Can you direct me to any instances that have been reported in the USA news media in the last five years where owning semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns (as opposed to owning a handgun) have prevented assaults? I'm not even restricting it to preventing massacres; any simple assault will do.
Edited to change icon. I like consistency.
Edited 2013-03-24 18:32 (UTC)
Here's a large database. Not all of the entries specify whether the weapons were semiautomatic, but many do:
http://gunssavelives.net/gun/rifle/
http://gunssavelives.net/gun/shotgun/
This happened a couple months ago: http://occupywallst.org/forum/15-year-old-defends-home-against-burglars-shoots-o/
And this happened just a few days ago: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-oklahoma-teens-shooting-texas-20130321,0,4015880.story The early reports said the home owner was armed with an AR-15; this was later amended to just "hunting rifle", so I'm not sure about the exact type of rifle.
http://gunssavelives.net/gun/rifle/
http://gunssavelives.net/gun/shotgun/
This happened a couple months ago: http://occupywallst.org/forum/15-year-old-defends-home-against-burglars-shoots-o/
And this happened just a few days ago: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-oklahoma-teens-shooting-texas-20130321,0,4015880.story The early reports said the home owner was armed with an AR-15; this was later amended to just "hunting rifle", so I'm not sure about the exact type of rifle.
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If you banned blacks and hispanics from touching guns on penalty of death, gun violence would drop about 85% in a week.
Anyone that hopes to reduce violence, particularly firearm violence, should be focused on ending the Drug War.
48% of all US violent crime, including gun violence, is gang related according to the FBI.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment
The primary reason for existence of gangs and cartels is the $400 billion /year US drugs black market. Other activities are secondary/opportunistic.
To put out a fire, you remove fuel and/or oxygen.
Legalize, regulate, tax, educate.
Continue to interdict foreign shipments and crack down on gangs. Their money dries up, they can't attract new members or support their operations. Use proceeds from taxes on same and former drug war spending to implement single payer healthcare with addiction treatment on demand.
No more wasting Billions per year - one Trillion so far - creating a black market for psychopaths to exploit. No more wasting billions per year ruining the lives of people that have harmed no one. No more wasting billions per year militarizing our police forces, eroding our own rights, and creating for profit prisons. No more overwhelmingly disproportionate victimization of minorities. No more incarcerating casual users and small time dealers with hardened criminals in gang run prisons, creating criminal universities in every state and hardened criminals where there were none.
Good data on costs:
http://thedea.org/itsresults.html
This chart directly correlates overall and gun deaths (which mostly track each other) to peaks in the Drug War.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4KGszM_HiU8/T0EqeoECYpI/AAAAAAAAH24/eP8RqAB5NOE/s1600/gun+violence+down+-+chart.gif
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419864_473654732689941_163550975_n.jpg
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/734427_595799260438948_290420038_n.jpg
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls
48% of all US violent crime, including gun violence, is gang related according to the FBI.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment
The primary reason for existence of gangs and cartels is the $400 billion /year US drugs black market. Other activities are secondary/opportunistic.
To put out a fire, you remove fuel and/or oxygen.
Legalize, regulate, tax, educate.
Continue to interdict foreign shipments and crack down on gangs. Their money dries up, they can't attract new members or support their operations. Use proceeds from taxes on same and former drug war spending to implement single payer healthcare with addiction treatment on demand.
No more wasting Billions per year - one Trillion so far - creating a black market for psychopaths to exploit. No more wasting billions per year ruining the lives of people that have harmed no one. No more wasting billions per year militarizing our police forces, eroding our own rights, and creating for profit prisons. No more overwhelmingly disproportionate victimization of minorities. No more incarcerating casual users and small time dealers with hardened criminals in gang run prisons, creating criminal universities in every state and hardened criminals where there were none.
Good data on costs:
http://thedea.org/itsresults.html
This chart directly correlates overall and gun deaths (which mostly track each other) to peaks in the Drug War.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4KGszM_HiU8/T0EqeoECYpI/AAAAAAAAH24/eP8RqAB5NOE/s1600/gun+violence+down+-+chart.gif
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419864_473654732689941_163550975_n.jpg
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/734427_595799260438948_290420038_n.jpg
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls
Much like bliss ninnies have nothing to offer but poorly constructed insults?
Bliss ninnies actually do help change colostomy bags. Still hoping to see that NRA funded victim support group.
I assume this includes suicides? Pretty misleading if so.
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