ext_39051 ([identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] politicartoons2013-02-07 10:21 am
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Native American protests at an Arizona Illegal Immigration Rally



Pushing a toddler in a stroller, a rightfully irritated self-identified Native American began yelling at the group, saying: “Y’all f*cking illegal. You’re all illegal. You’re all illegal! We didn’t invite none of you here!” Some of the audio may not be work safe, so be warned.





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[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2013-02-20 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
No one is illegal.

The protesters are protesting people who want to live alongside them peacefully. They call them illegal because they are from another country. The protesters themselves are descendants of people who came here from another country and stole the land via rape pestilence and murder. That is the irony the native american dude was pointing out.

I trust that is clear?

[identity profile] ygam.livejournal.com 2013-02-20 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
No one is illegal.

Do you own a house or a condo? If I sneak into your house, take your keys and duplicate them, and then walk into your bedroom and start living there, using your kitchen and electricity without paying for it, I will not be an illegal person, but I will be doing illegal actions. You will probably call the police on me, won't you? You want to control, who lives in your house, don't you? Anyone who lives in your house against your will does so illegally. If you don't own your own house, you must know somebody who does; please put yourself in their shoes. Likewise, a country wants to control, who lives inside its borders, and has immigration laws that say so. Anyone who lives in the country while breaking these laws does so illegally. Is this so hard to understand? Now, it is possible that these laws are stupid and should be changed. In fact, they are being changed. An LJ friend of mine is an immigration lawyer from Boston, and today she posted Obama's proposal for immigration law reform. Yet as long as the laws remain on books, anyone who breaks them is doing illegal things.

With few exceptions (Estonia, perhaps?), there is no country on Earth the ancestors of the population of which didn't come from another country and steal the land via rape and murder. In historic times, England was conquered by the Anglo-Saxons and later by the Normans; France by the Franks; Eastern Germany was Slavic-speaking until about 1000 CE; the Hungarians came from beyond the Urals and invaded Hungary in the 9th century. In Russophone LJ some 7 years ago I once saw a heated argument about who Kosovo should belong to, the Albanians or the Serbs, and said that all humanity came out of Africa some 60,000 years ago. Yet I cannot think of a country that has an open borders policy because of its citizens' guilt for their murderous ancestors.

[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2013-02-21 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
Do you own a house or a condo?

No. I haven't met any immigrants who tried to take my apartment either. Most of the ones I know work there asses to the bone and send what little money they make back to their families in Mexico.

Is this so hard to understand?

No, however it wasn't the point of the OP...

Ya know, perhaps the mistake these recent immigrants to America make is that they dont rape and kill.

[identity profile] ygam.livejournal.com 2013-02-21 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Many of them do work their asses off; I agree. Mexico has what is probably the most unequal economy in the OECD, more unequal than the US and the UK, and poor Mexicans illegally in the States who send money to their families allow the country's elites not to share their wealth with the poor. This is of course a very crude caricature; there is a blogger in Russophone LJ who is a professor of economics at a private university in Mexico City; what he posts about the economy of Mexico (in Russian) is fascinating.

Some recent immigrants do rape and kill. There is a lot of material on the Internet on the MS-13, the Sureños and other immigrant gangs.

[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2013-02-21 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
poor Mexicans illegally in the States who send money to their families allow the country's elites not to share their wealth with the poor.

Those damn poor mexicans, so much power over their home countries elite! Hmm...


Some recent immigrants do rape and kill. There is a lot of material on the Internet on the MS-13, the Sureños and other immigrant gangs.

So, we're talking, .0000001% of current immigrants? Uh....are they claiming territory yet?
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