[identity profile] itrytobeamused.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Not that I haven't laughed at that picture, especially with the "lather out with the boys" caption, but the premise that the joke rests on (black people--violent and easily angered!) is pretty shitty.

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
This one is quite far from being dumb. Some liberals better give it a thought.

[identity profile] uberreiniger.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought it rested on the premise that white people are hopelessly stupid and will inevitably do something in the presence of black people that will incur their fully justified anger and violence.

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the message here is rather obvious. This guy thinks that through accepting some elements of different culture he can be accepted among the people of that culture. But he's wrong.

This is a very old mistake, typical for idealistic people who can't tell their imaginary world from reality.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
so what is your suggestion? constant division? or assimilation of their culture into white culture?

[identity profile] spencer-mato.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, at this point in the series he's battling with himself being a racist because he chooses white bread over wheat ect. He's trying to become a non-racist by getting in touch with black culture. Since Slick is constantly doing moronic shit and taking things over the top it fits the character.

[identity profile] spencer-mato.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I dunno, in the case of calling someone a "Nigger" I think the violence is completely justified. To meet someone's declaration of such hatred and violence with equal hatred and violence seems to work out. I have a similar reaction when someone calls me a cunt. I hate that word and I've slapped the shit out of people for calling me one.

[identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Bombing them.

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Division is not a solution. Neither is a policy of cultural assimilation. The only way is to quit subsidizing parasitism and let everybody into normal economy. Economy-based death of ghetto. It's already happening, but too slowly. Government just has to get out of the way.

[identity profile] jamie-miller.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
this

[identity profile] pragmatic-chimp.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
You know that the picture at the end is in no way related to the comic, right? The poster placed it there - the comic's artist's did not.

[identity profile] pragmatic-chimp.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. Nail on head.

[identity profile] uberreiniger.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't disbelieve you but I'll pass on putting it to the test just the same :)

[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
General agreement.

Also, it has been suggested that Tats watches this site. Which is my interpretation of the subtext of the work of genius that is the juxtaposition of this strip with the picture of lather's night out with the lads.

As for the underlying racist assumptions in the original strip, I feel I go with [livejournal.com profile] uberreiniger mainly because I'm amused: but I may well feel guilty in the morning.

[Turns towards [livejournal.com profile] i and tugs forelock] Your servant, sir.

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
These two takes are not in contradiction. The way of thinking I was talking about always implies a serious lack of understanding. Including mistaking stereotypes for real cultural elements.

[identity profile] borgseawolf.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
this is a comic strip that often uses slapstick comedy - the premise of a group chasing the main character is quite common.

And he did come up to a group of 'homeys', not just some random black people.

Re: fixed that for you.

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
That is so obsolete.

[identity profile] wight1984.livejournal.com 2009-10-11 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's quite hard to consider 'verbal assault' as equal to physical assault. Okay, I don't have much sympathy for someone getting beaten up for calling a black person a 'Nigger' but I don't really think it's proportional or equal of the person doing the beating either.

[identity profile] therocket-queen.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Um, economy based death of ghetto? I live in west harlem. The ghetto is growing... and the white people are moving in too.

[identity profile] drivebyluna.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
What's the context of that picture? Back story? I must know!

[identity profile] drivebyluna.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
<3 Moss.

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
That's the core difference (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html) between liberals and conservatives. When conservative wants to help somebody, he does that with his own money through charity. When liberal thinks somebody needs help, he prefers to help with other people's money through government.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
and you think that some monolithic group of "liberals" try to do that?

Anyway, you've got it wrong. Slick is trying to assimilate into black culture -- something that conservatives complain that immigrants DON'T do all the time.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
when you quote Bill Kristof, you automatically lose, you know that, right? It's like calling someone a Nazi. "You quoted Bill Kristof, your argument is invalid."

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
Is Nicholas D. Kristof alias of Bill Kristof? Didn't know that.

How about just Arthur C. Brooks, who actually did the research? Good enough?

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
Besides, liberals are unnecessary rude when the got no valid arguments. Really sad.

[identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
I said "some liberals". Especially, you know, reality-based.

Conservative complain that immigrants don't assimilate into black culture? Interesting; never heard that before. Talking to you is really educational.

[identity profile] torasama.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously, I love you right now.

[identity profile] torasama.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
That's how I read it as well.

[identity profile] laviemoderne.livejournal.com 2009-10-12 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, that was my assumption as well.

[identity profile] library-chair.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
"homeys" = black men who wear hats and hoodies?