http://tigron-x.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] tigron-x.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] politicartoons2017-02-09 11:52 am
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-10 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Protesting bigotry - even violently - is not evidence of bigotry. This cartoon wishes to assume otherwise to make a cynical false equivalency, but, it just ain't so.
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-10 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
That is true.
So - I'm going to assume you agree with me then.
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-11 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Oh come now. You posted it because it has a point of view. Not because it's a pretty picture.

As an aside... Violent protestors forced Milo to cancel a privately-booked appearance. Yet the guy in the cartoon is attacking "free speech". Why the switcheroo?
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-11 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't say that you can't be a bigot for protesting bigotry.
I said that protesting bigotry - even violently - is not evidence of bigotry.

See, here's the thing. Everyone knows what Milo stands for. He's been traveling around the country doing a one-man show for quite a while now, and his shit's freely available online. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know exactly what he's going to say when he shows up in a new town, especially given the group that invited him there. The Berkeley protest was against what Milo has already said, and against him saying that crap in their home town. Do you think that protesting itself is an attempt to "silence opposition"?

No, I'm pretty sure you're singling out the violence and condemning that. Well, you and I agree there. The people who hijacked the protest and turned it violent are misguided assholes.

But do you think those people are worthy of the label "tolerant left", and do you think they were the ones carrying "hate free zone" signs?
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-11 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
Look deeper into Milo's "discourse" and you probably won't like what you find. He uses untrue stereotypes of minorities and LGBT folk (yes he's all gay and shit but that obviously doesn't excuse it) to make mean-spirited jokes about "tolerance" gone amok, and sell his message, which is summarized in two points:

1. The leftist whites ("cucks"), and their multi-ethnic friends, are out to exterminate whites in "race war".
2. The leftists are policing language in an attempt to silence the white people who are opposed to this "race war".

These things are not only grossly untrue, they are inflammatory. They are a deliberate twisting of American ideals into a victimization, to foment a race war. The people protesting him know what he's up to and are appalled by it.

Ask yourself why the protests of him always happen in the most ethnically diverse regions of the country. Do you think the people living there know less about race relations than people living in more homogenous areas? They are up his ass for a reason. It might be worth figuring out what that reason is.

And about violence - I've tried to make the distinction between the people holding the signs, who were peaceably gathered at UC Berkeley for hours, and the smaller group that showed up later intent on violence. If you are unwilling to make that distinction, that's a shame. Those people are all one big pile of "leftists" to you, is that it?

Well if you want to lump them together, then I think it's fair to lump the "right" in with the guy who shot up a mosque in Canada a couple weeks ago. The left ain't got nothin' on the violence perpetrated by the right. We could also walk that right back through the civil war if you like.

I think it's better to make the distinction.
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-12 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
I never said the left were paragons of virtue. But if I was to be drawn into a conflict between people who endorse a race war and people who wish to prevent it, I would choose the side trying to prevent it. Race is a stupid reason for a fight.
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-12 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Oh okay, so, the leftist white people are off the hook then? :D
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-12 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
Ahahahaa "traitors"!!

What are you doing out of Europe, you damn Aryan? Get back on that boat and go home to YOUR PEOPLE! :D