http://tigron-x.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] tigron-x.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] politicartoons2017-02-09 11:52 am
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[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2017-02-12 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
> Richard Spencer's reaction video in full:<

Yes, at 16.49 he makes it clear that if they're shut out of the public they're not going to win. So...

> In terms of basic PR, this seems like a clear fail.<

Given the entire debate has been around "Is it OK to punch Nazis?", I think it's been a success. People have remixed the incident with music videos. People are cheering, and reposting it everywhere. The very tweet that you linked has this.

I'll read the academic studies later, but as many have pointed out people holding hands and singing Kumbaya doesn't have a good historical record of success.

[identity profile] wight1984.livejournal.com 2017-02-23 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
"at 16.49 he makes it clear that if they're shut out of the public they're not going to win."

A sucker-punch isn't going to keep him out of the public... so just how violent does this need to get to stop him? Given the controversy over a sucker-punch, how well do you expect more severe forms of violence to play in the media and across the general public?

"Given the entire debate has been around "Is it OK to punch Nazis?", I think it's been a success. People have remixed the incident with music videos. People are cheering, and reposting it everywhere. The very tweet that you linked has this."

My observation is that the reaction varies according to pre-existing political bias.

For bubbles on the left, a divide has opened up between 'leftists', who tend to celebrate and those who condemn the punch and 'liberals', who tend to condemn it. For people on the right, this is just more evidence of how left-wing stances on 'tolerance' are hollow.

That's already not a great picture without thinking about how this may have affected the opinions and prejudices with those with a weaker sense of political identity and less partisan bias.
Edited 2017-02-23 19:56 (UTC)

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2017-02-26 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
> For bubbles on the left, a divide has opened up between 'leftists', who tend to celebrate and those who condemn the punch and 'liberals', who tend to condemn it. For people on the right, this is just more evidence of how left-wing stances on 'tolerance' are hollow.<

Whatever happened to "I tolerate everything except intolerance"?

If liberals and conservatives think that advocates have a "right to free speech" (and a right to defame groups) then its become a very sad state of affairs for them.
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