http://tigron-x.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] tigron-x.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] politicartoons2017-02-09 11:52 am
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[identity profile] tigron-x.livejournal.com 2017-02-12 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
That doesn't sound like we watched the same video. The rabbi never said anything like that. You're putting words in his mouth.

The rabbi is warning fellow Jews not to abandon the Torah like the Jews that caused the Russian Revolution and also those that tried to abandon their own people to become German. The rabbi substantiated Hitler's and Wagner's points.

He never said anything about them being twisted. That's something YOU are projecting onto the rabbi's speech because that is YOUR bias regarding those events.

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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-12 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
LOL. Yes, it's true, that Rabbi doesn't want his people to assimilate, and he's using Hitler and Wagner's own inane words to buttress his claim that assimilation is what caused their (the Jews) downfall. He also knows he's making a controversial statement that goes against both the Torah and the attitude of his own community (he points out examples of both).

But you're trying to make a leap even beyond that. Are you honestly trying to equate the Jews' partial assimilation into German society as an act of war?

[identity profile] tigron-x.livejournal.com 2017-02-12 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
Why did you suddenly omit Bolshevism? The rabbi was also talking about the murderous Bolsheviks that killed 66 million Russians from 1918 to 1957.

The Bolsheviks were Jews. And their politics is what was being assimilated into Germany. This is what the rabbi is pointing out.


That's pretty damn significant point you're glossing over.



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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-12 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
Show me where he, or anyone for that matter, says that the Jews assimilating in Germany were also promoting Bolshevik politics.

I don't consider that significant, because I don't consider assimilation to be an act of war. Do you?

[identity profile] tigron-x.livejournal.com 2017-02-12 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
That's what the rabbi is referencing when he was reading Hitler's words. And he said, yeah, this happened, and that's why Hitler denounced the Jews.

And then he goes on to point out how media and art were being transformed in Germany by substantiating Wagner.

This is the same stuff Ayn Rand was pointing out in her books. This deconstruction of the host culture is what they do. And you arrogantly give lip service to the critique of art I showed you.

It's subversion tactics. It's psychological warfare.

But because you don't think this way you assume others don't think this way. And that's the problem with all this equality nonsense. It makes one blind to difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

There are 3 forms of conquest. What I'm presenting here to you is one of them.

That rabbi is telling his people to stop this nonsense because it goes against the Torah.
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[personal profile] garote 2017-02-12 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
No. He said Hitler claimed this was happening. Same with Wagner.

As I said before, and as the Rabbi has made clear, assimilation does not go against the Torah.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. Your use of the phrase "host culture" and "psychological warfare", and your blinkered attitude towards art, pretty much puts you in a completely different mental space from me.

50 years ago, it was The Reds and their Communist Agenda. 100 years ago, it was The Yellow Peril, and ... something to do with opium and raping white women or whatever. These people were intent on infiltrating our culture so that the evil Chinese and/or Russians could occupy our infrastructure "intact", and win a war without firing a shot. Similar smaller uproars happened in various parts of the US over the Japanese, the Irish, the Italians, the French, all manner of black people, Mexicans of course, anyone from a Muslim country ... basically everyone everywhere except for maybe the Swiss. (Maybe. Not if they were atheists.)

It was bigoted bullshit every time, designed to scare up support for demagogues, and it remains bigoted bullshit now. Are you just looking for a fight, because you feel better when you have an enemy? It's been hard enough getting you to even explain what your side is, what the enemy is, or even what's at stake. I mean, so far, a bunch of modern art and a piece of avant-garde architecture is all you're put on the table. What else you got??
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