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politicartoons2017-02-09 11:52 am
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As a previous poster has pointed out freedom of speech is not and never has been an absolute right. It is balanced on the responsibility of truthful statements in the public interest.
When did the left become the epitome of public interest? And, see, that's the hubris I've been pointing out.
The left needs to swallow your advice and start behaving responsibly. Sam Harris did a good job here pointing out how lefties have been dishonest and lost touch with public interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA_AxTzBBvI&t
The left needs to swallow your advice and start behaving responsibly. Sam Harris did a good job here pointing out how lefties have been dishonest and lost touch with public interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA_AxTzBBvI&t
> When did the left become the epitome of public interest?<
Who said that it did?
> Sam Harris did a good job here pointing out how lefties have been dishonest and lost touch with public interest:<
Meh, that video makes assertions that don't stand up to the facts. The facts are that the Democrats didn't pitch to the rust belt states, and they paid dearly for that.
There was nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Clinton platform that addressed their issues, even if they couldn't vote for Trump, they saw no reason to get up and vote for Clinton. And that's what the empirical data says.
Who said that it did?
> Sam Harris did a good job here pointing out how lefties have been dishonest and lost touch with public interest:<
Meh, that video makes assertions that don't stand up to the facts. The facts are that the Democrats didn't pitch to the rust belt states, and they paid dearly for that.
There was nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Clinton platform that addressed their issues, even if they couldn't vote for Trump, they saw no reason to get up and vote for Clinton. And that's what the empirical data says.
Recent events have shown that shining a light on the beliefs of the 'alt-right' can be effective in itself.
The Berkeley protests were ineffective and were partly responsible for Milo's book becoming a best seller. However, media attention and public discussion of Milo's comments on paedophilia have cause that book to be cancelled. It's good to see some kind of success for the 'free market of ideas'.
Either way, Liberalism seems to be a far way from dead. Despite the authoritarian streaks of the left and right wings, liberalism still seems to be a popular centre-ground position.
The Berkeley protests were ineffective and were partly responsible for Milo's book becoming a best seller. However, media attention and public discussion of Milo's comments on paedophilia have cause that book to be cancelled. It's good to see some kind of success for the 'free market of ideas'.
Either way, Liberalism seems to be a far way from dead. Despite the authoritarian streaks of the left and right wings, liberalism still seems to be a popular centre-ground position.
"at 16.49 he makes it clear that if they're shut out of the public they're not going to win."
A sucker-punch isn't going to keep him out of the public... so just how violent does this need to get to stop him? Given the controversy over a sucker-punch, how well do you expect more severe forms of violence to play in the media and across the general public?
"Given the entire debate has been around "Is it OK to punch Nazis?", I think it's been a success. People have remixed the incident with music videos. People are cheering, and reposting it everywhere. The very tweet that you linked has this."
My observation is that the reaction varies according to pre-existing political bias.
For bubbles on the left, a divide has opened up between 'leftists', who tend to celebrate and those who condemn the punch and 'liberals', who tend to condemn it. For people on the right, this is just more evidence of how left-wing stances on 'tolerance' are hollow.
That's already not a great picture without thinking about how this may have affected the opinions and prejudices with those with a weaker sense of political identity and less partisan bias.
A sucker-punch isn't going to keep him out of the public... so just how violent does this need to get to stop him? Given the controversy over a sucker-punch, how well do you expect more severe forms of violence to play in the media and across the general public?
"Given the entire debate has been around "Is it OK to punch Nazis?", I think it's been a success. People have remixed the incident with music videos. People are cheering, and reposting it everywhere. The very tweet that you linked has this."
My observation is that the reaction varies according to pre-existing political bias.
For bubbles on the left, a divide has opened up between 'leftists', who tend to celebrate and those who condemn the punch and 'liberals', who tend to condemn it. For people on the right, this is just more evidence of how left-wing stances on 'tolerance' are hollow.
That's already not a great picture without thinking about how this may have affected the opinions and prejudices with those with a weaker sense of political identity and less partisan bias.
Edited 2017-02-23 19:56 (UTC)
> For bubbles on the left, a divide has opened up between 'leftists', who tend to celebrate and those who condemn the punch and 'liberals', who tend to condemn it. For people on the right, this is just more evidence of how left-wing stances on 'tolerance' are hollow.<
Whatever happened to "I tolerate everything except intolerance"?
If liberals and conservatives think that advocates have a "right to free speech" (and a right to defame groups) then its become a very sad state of affairs for them.
Whatever happened to "I tolerate everything except intolerance"?
If liberals and conservatives think that advocates have a "right to free speech" (and a right to defame groups) then its become a very sad state of affairs for them.
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