god is a genesis of stupidity

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[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

Why do you define yourself as atheist rather than agnostic then?

Anyway, key to me is that you're willing to state it's a belief, not knowledge.

The only epistemologically truly knowable thing is self-referential knowledge.

No. I believe that has been the great win of science; the replicable experiment. Even self referential knowledge is unknowable if we're brains in vats. However, if we accept at a base, that this thing around us that we perceive is actually there, even if we are imperfect perceivers, then we can make tools that we can objectively calibrate and then measure things, over and over again, and if the answer comes up the same each time, we can be fairly confident that we can call this knowledge. The "that", not necessarily the "how"; I believe in gravity, because it can be measured. I can make predictions about how it will behave and they will come true. What I can't do is tell you "how" that works. Gravity, or at least the effects of, is objectively knowable. I can't do any of that for a deity and if I can't disprove it, if I can't predict how it will react, then in my epistemological system (and I acknowledge that we as humans have no agreement on that) it is not knowable.

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

The "that", not necessarily the "how"

I usually prefer to say it as "the what and the how, but not necessarily the why".

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

Yeah, same same :) Mine come from "know-that" and "know-how" being philosophical concepts that I've been using a lot lately :)