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politicartoons2014-06-01 07:13 pm
fizzyland.livejournal.com) wrote in politicartoons2014-06-01 07:13 pm
We will get in
Why conservatives are suddenly terrified of revolution
"Warren is quite correct: It is the rich who have made war against the 99 percent, not the other way around. They have dumped the tax burden onto the rest of us. They have shredded our social safety net and attacked our retirements. In their insatiable greed, they refuse even to consider raising the minimum wage for people who toil all day and can’t earn enough to feed their children. And they do everything in their power to block as many people from the polls as possible who might protest these conditions, while crushing the unions and any other countervailing forces that could fight to improve them.
The goal of this vicious war is to control all of the wealth and the government not just in the U.S., but the rest of the world, too, and to make sure the people are kept in a state of fear."
"Warren is quite correct: It is the rich who have made war against the 99 percent, not the other way around. They have dumped the tax burden onto the rest of us. They have shredded our social safety net and attacked our retirements. In their insatiable greed, they refuse even to consider raising the minimum wage for people who toil all day and can’t earn enough to feed their children. And they do everything in their power to block as many people from the polls as possible who might protest these conditions, while crushing the unions and any other countervailing forces that could fight to improve them.
The goal of this vicious war is to control all of the wealth and the government not just in the U.S., but the rest of the world, too, and to make sure the people are kept in a state of fear."
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But if I'm being told I have to default assume no woman ever wants me to ever make any sort of romantic advances towards her, well, it'd just re-enforce my already troubling self-doubts.
I don't see why making a pass at someone on a bus or subway is wrong--however it is wrong to continue making a pass at someone who has made it clear they are not interested. Be it on public transit or anywhere else.
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The problem with making a pass to someone on a bus or acting as your waitress is that the person there is more or less trapped. It can create a very uncomfortable situation.
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A catcall is only one form of an expression of romantic (although that word might be too strong, perhaps,erotic) interest.
I agree with the idea of a captive audience changing the nature of the beast, but, it is, IMO, a matter of how one proceeds. If someone wants to make it known that they are interested in someone else, that seems OK to me--even if it's on a bus. It's a matter of how one initiates it (sometimes even just the beginning can already cross the line) and a matter of how one responds to rejection--once a person has made it clear, or even really started to indicate, that this is not welcome, back off, slowly or quickly, depending on the intensity of the indication (or if clearly stated, quickly and completely)
Is it really wrong of me, if I'm on a subway, say at 8pm, not empty but not terribly crowded, and I see a woman who I think is attractive and I approach her and attempt to strike up a conversation? Assume I seek queues of her being into the convo or not into the convo and respond accordingly.
I am NOT for freedom to harass, I am for freedom to initiate discussion with strangers. It's a matter of listening and responding to their acceptance or rejection.
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The rest is all about feeling out a situation and being sensitive to signaling that it's unwelcome. Especially if the other person doesn't have a ready way to disengage.
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Maybe people want to walk down the street without being yelled at sexually by strangers?
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You should never make a move on someone while you hold some sort of economic power over them--even if you have no intention whatsoever to use it.
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This might possibly work if you were the only person with this attitude.
As it stands, it's the equivalent of an unsolicited spam ad every ten minutes that you have to at least acknowledge on some level.
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Until you know a woman well enough to make a decision that factors in what you believe her viewpoint would be, that's a good start.
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You have offered an amorphous and non-descript goal-post. Be exact or its meaningless.
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The tigron_x dude asserts that all women consider all his advances complimentary at all times. Anyone who tells him that's not true is met with "your dick is small" type arguments.
Pick a side.
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I do not assert that all women consider advances from anyone to be complimentary. I assert that we shouldn't assume 100% of advances are unwanted--but we need to be wary of making an advance towards someone who is rejecting it.
"pick a side"
What are you, a Sith? You are either with me or against me? It's not a simple dichotomy where I either agree with a nutso MRA or I need to feel guilty for wanting to talk to the cute woman on the bus.
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The only time people are telling you to consider advances as unwanted by default are situations similar to you looking at a random girl on a bus and thinking to yourself "yeah I kinda want to hit on her so I will"
Are you going to maybe possibly miss some opportunity to make out with some lady on the bus because you're erring on the side of being polite to the majority of women who won't want to make out with you on the bus? Probably. But it's still the right thing to do.
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that's an absurdly stupid equivocation to draw
Why shouldn't I hit on a lady on the bus whom I don't know?
Obviously there are very good reasons not to harass a woman on the bus in some stupid attempt to get a date, but you seem to be conflating persistence after being told no with asking the first time.
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These haters are having trouble distinguishing my account of personal experiences from generalizations.
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Well, yes.
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How about you assume that you should not make an advance towards anyone without direct invitation to do so? That seems to work quite well for the majority of the population.
What are you, a Sith?
Yes. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Obviously there are very good reasons not to harass a woman on the bus in some stupid attempt to get a date, but you seem to be conflating persistence after being told no with asking the first time.
You seem to be unaware that there are many, many people who do not want to be asked the first time.
Are the people who go around and hang flyers for the local delivery restaurant on doornobs engaging in harassment?
Yes, which is why they're banned from my complex. If they're sighted doing that, security detains them and they're arrested for trespassing.
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And....thats all i have to say to your shitty ass attitude, you corporate fuck
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