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[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

Why conservatives are suddenly terrified of revolution
"Warren is quite correct: It is the rich who have made war against the 99 percent, not the other way around. They have dumped the tax burden onto the rest of us. They have shredded our social safety net and attacked our retirements. In their insatiable greed, they refuse even to consider raising the minimum wage for people who toil all day and can’t earn enough to feed their children. And they do everything in their power to block as many people from the polls as possible who might protest these conditions, while crushing the unions and any other countervailing forces that could fight to improve them.

The goal of this vicious war is to control all of the wealth and the government not just in the U.S., but the rest of the world, too, and to make sure the people are kept in a state of fear."

Comments

[tigron-x.livejournal.com]

Nope, sure didn't. But I did talk about approaching women without shame for having a healthy labido and making sure that the woman isn't confused about one's intent. I also pointed out how taking into account the woman's desires and responding accordingly is important.

So, you taking everything I said to mean cat calling is of your own doing as you specifically omitted my disclaimers to reach that conclusion.

A quick impromptu micro-date, whether initiated by a man or woman, isn't an act of aggression as there is no malicious aforethought. It is highly disingenuous for you to color it as such.

It is your dishonesty that leads me to believe you're sexually repressed, not your concerns for ensuring that women are treated respectfully.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

A quick impromptu micro-date, whether initiated by a man or woman, isn't an act of aggression as there is no malicious aforethought.

Who said anything about you being malicious? At worst, you're probably just a dope.

Plus, a lot of women really aren't interested in your idea of guys engaging them in spontaneous/unsolicited "impromptu micro-dates." They especially don't like it because you're not the only person who feels that there's nothing wrong with said micro-dates, and they're generally not interested in multiple guys trying to engage them every day when they have no interest in any of them.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Ever hear the expression, "He's a walking hard on"

[tigron-x.livejournal.com]

You just can't help but be disingenuous, can you?

My real world experiences negate everything you're saying. That doesn't mean there isn't *some* truth behind what you're saying. But, you're being presumptuous about what women do and do not want. I'm only expressing my desires and allowing women to respond accordingly. And I respect their desires. It's a very simple, comfortable, and open exchange. There is nothing for me to be ashamed of.

Now why is there such conflict between what I'm experiencing and what you're saying? I'd say there is more to this than you're willing to admit.

So, either keep telling yourself what you want to hear, or go put yourself out there with the right attitude, but I doubt you could be honest with it anyways. Personally, I don't care what you do. Hell, you might even get cheered on by the choir around here.

And, let me be very clear, your self-righteous attitude isn't going to change my real world experiences no matter how much you try to "shame" me or how many passive-aggressive snide comments you throw at me. This sort of bitterness can't be healthy for you.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

My real world experiences negate everything you're saying.

Or you live in a fog of delirium where women love your flirty "I say what I want when I want and the women love it" ways.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

That doesn't mean there isn't *some* truth behind what you're saying.

Oh. My. Gawd, a concession! That was harder than pulling teeth. You'd think you could have just agreed with this point up front.... Instead you attacked people's sexuality and squirmed like a stuck pig.

I'd say there is more to this than you're willing to admit.

This again. Right back to your mind reading skills. You don't know your audience, quit making an ass out of yourself by assuming.

[tigron-x.livejournal.com]

Take your own advice.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Until a woman makes clear that a specific advance is unwanted, should a man assume any advance towards any woman is unwanted, as a default?

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

Isn't this stuff all about context? It might be, if the woman is working in a service job or on public transportation or just passing in the street.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Well yes, I agree it's about context, but I think that the context is: until a context has been established, it is unwise to assume a romantic advance is wanted or unwanted. All you can do is put it out there,and if it's liked, awesome, keep going, and if it's not liked, stop.

But if I'm being told I have to default assume no woman ever wants me to ever make any sort of romantic advances towards her, well, it'd just re-enforce my already troubling self-doubts.

I don't see why making a pass at someone on a bus or subway is wrong--however it is wrong to continue making a pass at someone who has made it clear they are not interested. Be it on public transit or anywhere else.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

Until a woman makes clear that a specific advance is unwanted, should a man assume any advance towards any woman is unwanted, as a default?

Until you know a woman well enough to make a decision that factors in what you believe her viewpoint would be, that's a good start.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

How well is that?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

"Until a woman makes clear that a specific advance is unwanted, should a man assume any advance towards any woman is unwanted, as a default?"

The tigron_x dude asserts that all women consider all his advances complimentary at all times. Anyone who tells him that's not true is met with "your dick is small" type arguments.

Pick a side.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I cringed when I saw his comment on my thread where he said that I "hit the nail on the head"

I do not assert that all women consider advances from anyone to be complimentary. I assert that we shouldn't assume 100% of advances are unwanted--but we need to be wary of making an advance towards someone who is rejecting it.

"pick a side"

What are you, a Sith? You are either with me or against me? It's not a simple dichotomy where I either agree with a nutso MRA or I need to feel guilty for wanting to talk to the cute woman on the bus.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

You claimed your advances are ALWAYS welcome and ANYONE who tries to tell you otherwise is a prude with a small dick or something.

I get that you're a proud sexual predator, but you need to acknowledge that others don't ALWAYS want to be the game. Often not...

[tigron-x.livejournal.com]

You spend a lot of time putting words in my mouth in order to paint me as a sexual predator. It's a really hacky thing to do, and it just goes to show how much of a bitter person you are. Your hate campaign is just going to turn people off from anything you have to say.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

"The only reason you don't think women will respect that sort of honesty is because you've never done it. No, women value my honesty, they appreciate the compliment, and respect my desire to be forthright with them. There is no question in their mind as to what I'm about. (http://politicartoons.livejournal.com/4259735.html?thread=96126359#t96126359)"

I have put no words in your mouth. You want me to back off? Clearly acknowledge that there are times when not approaching is the appropriate thing (most strangers most setting, imo). Clearly acknowledge that not everyone wants to be hit on at all times.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

OMG - aren't you just the classic example of male entitlement. You have a BIG libido, so women will just have to deal with your micro-intrusions on their personal space. And as such a manly man, you can read women's minds and know what they want. And if they don't want what you want, then they must be sexually repressed. Someone's been watching too much Mad Men.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Is it a micro-intrusion to strike up a conversation with a stranger whom you fancy?

I would agree it is an intrusion if it's made clear that it is unwanted, but how do I know if the woman in the park who has made eye contact with me a few times, smiled, and is sitting there reading a book will feel like I am *intruding* if I walk up, say hello, and attempt to initiate a conversation that I would want to end with a date?

I think there's a problem with assuming that all attempts to "hit-on" (to use a colloquial phrase with some odd literal implications) someone is an intrusion, even a micro-intrusion, of someones space.

I mean, until you are given an indication that it is unwanted, are you (or more accurately, am I, a male) supposed to expect any advances to be unwanted?

[tigron-x.livejournal.com]

Nail on the head again.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Do all women find a man's every advance complimentary? That's the assertion (http://politicartoons.livejournal.com/4259735.html?thread=96086935#t96086935) we are on him about.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

I would agree it is an intrusion if it's made clear that it is unwanted

That is minimal acceptable behaviour..

You need to need to use your judgement.

I mean, until you are given an indication that it is unwanted, are you (or more accurately, am I, a male) supposed to expect any advances to be unwanted?

I am a male. I want to put my penis in your orifice. Is there ever a moment in your life when its just not appropriate for me to ask you? Are there moments in your life where it is okay for me to ask you? If 30 guys asked you in one day, would you find that annoying?

Use your empathy dude.

[angelcerv25.livejournal.com]

Hhahahaahhahaha that's what I thought!

Horrible show, too.

[tigron-x.livejournal.com]

Yup, I can read women's minds just like you can read my posts. That's why I have to break the ice to figure out what a particular woman wants, right?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Why is there "ice" to break? Shovel a glimpse into the ditch.