For instance, thirteen year old can be willing, even eager, to have sex, but is not usually considered to be able to consent to sex.
Of course. This is a legal issue because of age. The age of consent varies from state to state. However this is a cultural thing as well It is not unusual for people to have sex or even be married this young in other countries.
So, even if we avoid words like 'rape' or 'consent', if you have sex with someone who is so intoxicated that they can't stand and can't remember what is happening from one moment to the next, you are a vile person, Whatever we call that behaviour, it's disgusting and it ought to be illegal.
Yes, but then you put on your critical thinking cap and consider why that's the case, and you can then see how it applies to someone being intoxicated, drugged, or otherwise not of sound mind and body.
Because they are a minor and not reached the age of consent. This is much different than somebody who is otherwise possibly impaired because of drugs or alcohol.
And as far as "sound body" goes are you saying a person who is of poor health or of frail body can not give consent? If this is the case then I know of many handicapped and sick people that would disagree with you. Every person on crutches or in a wheelchair for instance can be of sound mind but not of sound body for just starters. Many people that make last wills and testaments are of sound mind but not sound body that is the whole point of them making the will in the first place because they are about to kick the bucket and they want to get their last wishes down before they go.
And as far as "sound body" goes are you saying a person who is of poor health or of frail body can not give consent? If this is the case then I know of many handicapped and sick people that would disagree with you
I think it's the sound mind issue that's relevant, rather than the sound body.
Mental disability would have to be very severe to impact on the ability to consent, but such cases have been known to cause legal issues in some places. I'm not going to take a stance on how that should be resolved, but it is flagged as a problem.
"Of course. This is a legal issue because of age. The age of consent varies from state to state. However this is a cultural thing as well It is not unusual for people to have sex or even be married this young in other countries."
Sure, the idea that there is a set age at which people become legally able to consent shows that some level of social construction is at work within the legal concept of concept. However, it does rather prove that the legal concept of consent is not the same as willingness.
Non-legal uses may have more blurry lines, but I'd still say that it's unusual to use consent as a straight synonym for willingness.
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Of course. This is a legal issue because of age. The age of consent varies from state to state. However this is a cultural thing as well It is not unusual for people to have sex or even be married this young in other countries.
So, even if we avoid words like 'rape' or 'consent', if you have sex with someone who is so intoxicated that they can't stand and can't remember what is happening from one moment to the next, you are a vile person, Whatever we call that behaviour, it's disgusting and it ought to be illegal.
I agree with you 110%
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Yes, but then you put on your critical thinking cap and consider why that's the case, and you can then see how it applies to someone being intoxicated, drugged, or otherwise not of sound mind and body.
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And as far as "sound body" goes are you saying a person who is of poor health or of frail body can not give consent? If this is the case then I know of many handicapped and sick people that would disagree with you. Every person on crutches or in a wheelchair for instance can be of sound mind but not of sound body for just starters. Many people that make last wills and testaments are of sound mind but not sound body that is the whole point of them making the will in the first place because they are about to kick the bucket and they want to get their last wishes down before they go.
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Oh, okay.
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Mental disability would have to be very severe to impact on the ability to consent, but such cases have been known to cause legal issues in some places. I'm not going to take a stance on how that should be resolved, but it is flagged as a problem.
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Sure, the idea that there is a set age at which people become legally able to consent shows that some level of social construction is at work within the legal concept of concept. However, it does rather prove that the legal concept of consent is not the same as willingness.
Non-legal uses may have more blurry lines, but I'd still say that it's unusual to use consent as a straight synonym for willingness.