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politicartoons2013-02-07 10:21 am
telemann.livejournal.com) wrote in politicartoons2013-02-07 10:21 am
Native American protests at an Arizona Illegal Immigration Rally
Pushing a toddler in a stroller, a rightfully irritated self-identified Native American began yelling at the group, saying: “Y’all f*cking illegal. You’re all illegal. You’re all illegal! We didn’t invite none of you here!” Some of the audio may not be work safe, so be warned.
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The guy on video has no stolen property rights. Ancestors privileges and losses are not transferable.
There is the primary focus of immigrants as a "burden" as if they cross the border, sit on their ass, and start sucking down welfare checks
It is not depend on immigrants, it depend on state. In social state, yes, illegal immigrants consume from public funds more than they send to public funds:
http://www.cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor#taxrevenue
Ignored is the fact that Immigrants do work
If a person earns 30K and his family consumes 40K in education and medicine it's a burden, not profit for a society.
The "illegal immigrants as economic burden" construction is just another of those pre-packaged talking points
It is simple: if illegal immigration is a profit for a country then different countries would compete for illegal immigrants. But they don't.
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Native Americans are not owners of continent America, Asians are not owners of Asia. And even if land was "stolen" there are no racial responsibility for it.
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Thank you, Ilya, I must admit our opponents are generally polite, Hitler as an argument has not come yet. For me, this is also a way to improve my poor English.
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One of them behaves politely, but the other used to behave like a retard. When he constantly ignored my words and posted pictures instead, I got tired and replied with a demotivator from the group "Poligraf Poligrafovich [Sharikov, from Mikhail Bulgakov's Heart of a Dog] knows" at a Russian Facebook clone. Before Russophone LiveJournal existed, circa 1996-2000, I used to go to now-dead English-language internet forums, and I miss Internet discussions in English.
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Maybe that what the new batch of immigrants should do, ya know, for symmetry.
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Really?
There is another option. Sharing the land without raping and killing each other.
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Again, "We didn’t invite none of you here" is his was of illustrating the irony of the children who took his parents land by violent force protesting those who merely want to live alongside them peacefully.
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Compensation is the number in black, not in red. If somebody peacefully come to share your apartment with you and you pay his medical insurance you are not compensated, you're taxed.
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Ah... so you're against any form of inheritance then?
> yes, illegal immigrants consume from public funds more than they send to public funds:
At least they did in 2002. And by that table non-illegal aliens ALSO consumed in services more than they paid in taxes, just to a much smaller degree than illegal aliens. Also, the chart shows, illegal aliens use far less social services than non-illegal aliens, they just also provide less tax revenue. Now, is this an argument for deporting illegal aliens? Or is this an argument for insuring methods of revenue collection that will not be circumvented by illegal aliens? If revenue is our moral guide, we need to also include the relative costs and effectiveness of policing and deporting illegal aliens. By your table, if it costs more than ~$2700 to catch and deport an illegal alien in a given year, you might as well not bother.
Of course their true economic impact is more difficult to measure, as planters in the US South East are figuring out.
> If a person earns 30K and his family consumes 40K in education and medicine it's a burden,
> not profit for a society.
See above.
> if illegal immigration is a profit for a country then different countries would compete for illegal
> immigrants. But they don't.
Every American citizen who hires an illegal alien is a willing participant in the international 'competition for illegal immigrants.'
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Not against any but definitely against transfer guiltiness and especially racial guiltiness.
If revenue is our moral guide, we need to also include the relative costs and effectiveness of policing and deporting illegal aliens
It is not a moral but economic issue. If illegal immigrants in social state are not profit but burden and resources of a society are limited, open borders are impossible. Or, if we open them, social state is impossible.
Every American citizen who hires an illegal alien is a willing participant in the international 'competition for illegal immigrants.'
That's right, now you can understand demonstrants: profit from hiring illegal immigrants is assigned to their employers and expenses for school and medicine are on those protesters.
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What a crass and callous calculation of a human life. Yeah, no. For all we know that same human makes really good food, or music, or art, or stops crimes.
Or maybe we shouldn't measure human worth based on fucking money. There will come a time when your own butt is worth less than the food it takes to keep you alive, I suppose you will kill yourself then?
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It is not calculation of human life, it is calculation of your limits. If every new immigrant means spending a dollar for you then number of immigrants are limited by how many dollars you have.
There will come a time when your own butt is worth less than the food it takes to keep you alive, I suppose you will kill yourself then?
I probably not but the social state that is limited in resources definitely throw me into trash.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html
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Just so you know, this is satire.
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