Native American protests at an Arizona Illegal Immigration Rally

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Pushing a toddler in a stroller, a rightfully irritated self-identified Native American began yelling at the group, saying: “Y’all f*cking illegal. You’re all illegal. You’re all illegal! We didn’t invite none of you here!” Some of the audio may not be work safe, so be warned.

Comments

[chron-job.livejournal.com]

> Ancestors privileges and losses are not transferable.

Ah... so you're against any form of inheritance then?

> yes, illegal immigrants consume from public funds more than they send to public funds:

At least they did in 2002. And by that table non-illegal aliens ALSO consumed in services more than they paid in taxes, just to a much smaller degree than illegal aliens. Also, the chart shows, illegal aliens use far less social services than non-illegal aliens, they just also provide less tax revenue. Now, is this an argument for deporting illegal aliens? Or is this an argument for insuring methods of revenue collection that will not be circumvented by illegal aliens? If revenue is our moral guide, we need to also include the relative costs and effectiveness of policing and deporting illegal aliens. By your table, if it costs more than ~$2700 to catch and deport an illegal alien in a given year, you might as well not bother.

Of course their true economic impact is more difficult to measure, as planters in the US South East are figuring out.

> If a person earns 30K and his family consumes 40K in education and medicine it's a burden,
> not profit for a society.

See above.

> if illegal immigration is a profit for a country then different countries would compete for illegal
> immigrants. But they don't.

Every American citizen who hires an illegal alien is a willing participant in the international 'competition for illegal immigrants.'

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

so you're against any form of inheritance then?

Not against any but definitely against transfer guiltiness and especially racial guiltiness.

If revenue is our moral guide, we need to also include the relative costs and effectiveness of policing and deporting illegal aliens

It is not a moral but economic issue. If illegal immigrants in social state are not profit but burden and resources of a society are limited, open borders are impossible. Or, if we open them, social state is impossible.

Every American citizen who hires an illegal alien is a willing participant in the international 'competition for illegal immigrants.'

That's right, now you can understand demonstrants: profit from hiring illegal immigrants is assigned to their employers and expenses for school and medicine are on those protesters.