Native American protests at an Arizona Illegal Immigration Rally

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Pushing a toddler in a stroller, a rightfully irritated self-identified Native American began yelling at the group, saying: “Y’all f*cking illegal. You’re all illegal. You’re all illegal! We didn’t invite none of you here!” Some of the audio may not be work safe, so be warned.

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[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

I stand by my words: Native Americans are a small minority (1-2% of the population) in the United States.

Technically correct, though they used to be the majority when the protesters great great great grandfathers came here and stole their land by murder, rape, and pestilence.

That's the irony the native american guy is pointing out. Those who not so many generations back stole land by force protesting people who just want to live in peace.

[ygam.livejournal.com]

The population of Great Britain and France has increased about 1 1/2 times in the last 150 years; that of the United States has increased about 10 times. Some of it was no doubt due to higher fertility of Americans compared to the French and the Britons, especially before the frontier closed, and farming families were large. Most of it, no doubt, was due to immigration. I cannot find any numbers on the Internet, but it seems intuitively obvious to me that the ancestors of most Americans alive 150 years ago were not resident in the United States. Mexican Americans are about 10% of the U.S. population; there were very few of them in 1863. Italian Americans are about 5%; same here. American Jews are about 2%; same here. Polish Americans are about 3%; same here. Immigration from Germany in the 2nd half of the 19th century was huge. 12 million people came through Ellis Island alone, and they had children, and their children had children. Therefore, if "stole their land" you mean "won the Mexican-American War", then it weren't ancestors of most modern-day Americans; it was other people in the country to which the ancestors of most modern-day Americans later immigrated.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

By stole land I mean raped, killed, intentionally spread disease, took body parts, displayed corpses, lied and dishonored treaties, and stole land.

This is getting like tennis.

Ever hear of Saint Patrick's Battalion?

[ygam.livejournal.com]

Yes I have heard of Saint Patrick's Battalion.

Here is a chapter from a novel about an empire's conquest of a native people. Without looking it up, can you guess who it is talking about?

The [village] which had been destroyed was that in which [a native leader] had spent the night before he went over to the [empire]. [a native man] and his family had left the [village] on the approach of the [imperial] detachment, and when he returned he found his [house] in ruins — the roof fallen in, the door and the posts supporting the penthouse burned, and the interior filthy. His son, the handsome bright-eyed boy who had gazed with such ecstasy at [the native leader], was brought dead to the [house of worship] on a horse covered with a barka; he had been stabbed in the back with a bayonet. the dignified woman who had served [the native leader] when he was at the house now stood over her son’s body, her smock torn in front, her withered old breasts exposed, her hair down, and she dug her hails into her face till it bled, and wailed incessantly. [a native man], taking a pick-axe and spade, had gone with his relatives to dig a grave for his son. The old grandfather sat by the wall of the ruined [house] cutting a stick and gazing stolidly in front of him. He had only just returned from the apiary. The two stacks of hay there had been burnt, the apricot and cherry trees he had planted and reared were broken and scorched, and worse still all the beehives and bees had been burnt. The wailing of the women and the little children, who cried with their mothers, mingled with the lowing of the hungry cattle for whom there was no food. The bigger children, instead of playing, followed their elders with frightened eyes. The fountain was polluted, evidently on purpose, so that the water could not be used. The [house of worship] was polluted in the same way, and the [religious leader] and his assistants were cleaning it out. No one spoke of hatred of the [empire]. the feeling experienced by all the [natives], from the youngest to the oldest, was stronger than hate. It was not hatred, for they did not regard those [imperial] dogs as human beings, but it was such repulsion, disgust, and perplexity at the senseless cruelty of these creatures, that the desire to exterminate them — like the desire to exterminate rats, poisonous spiders, or wolves — was as natural an instinct as that of self-preservation.

The inhabitants of the [village] were confronted by the choice of remaining there and restoring with frightful effort what had been produced with such labor and had been so lightly and senselessly destroyed, facing every moment the possibility of a repetition of what had happened; or to submit to the [empire] — contrary to their religion and despite the repulsion and contempt they felt for them. The old men prayed, and unanimously decided to send envoys to [the leader of the native rebellion] asking him for help. Then they immediately set to work to restore what had been destroyed.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

I have not read much Tolstoy. Interesting reply though.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Oh, and just to let you know, I loved Fantastic Planet.