http://0utlaw-immortal.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] 0utlaw-immortal.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] politicartoons2013-01-29 01:09 am

[identity profile] thebigbadbutch.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
I wish Obamacare was free healthcare instead of a giant cash gift to the insurance companies. If Obama had enacted universal healthcare I totally would have voted for him in 2012.

[identity profile] torylltales.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
Seems legit.

[identity profile] housedog.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
I know. Where did our Public Option go?

[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
True.

However it seems it was impossible to get to there from where you chaps started: but it may be possible to get to a single payer system from where you are now.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
masses of what?  uninformed people?

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Too extreme.

[identity profile] housedog.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
What would you have proposed instead?

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd be going in the opposite direction - removing interstate barriers to allow for a broader competitive atmosphere, deregulating the licensing schemes to get more doctors in play, etc.
liliaeth: (Benny smiling)

[personal profile] liliaeth 2013-01-29 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Which woudln't work unless you're rich

[identity profile] housedog.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, so we are on polar opposite ends of the spectrum here.

I'm uncertain broadening the competitive field would substantially benefit consumers overall--because we'd still have insurance companies agreeing as a group that pre-existing conditions are excluded.

And deregulating licensing schemes to get more doctors in play... Your mileage may vary here. Doctors haven't seemed too fond of lowering healthcare costs by making more of themselves. It's a lesson they've learned very well over the years--that scarcity increases revenue.

[identity profile] skittish-derby.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 01:04 pm (UTC)(link)
this.

[identity profile] radioclashed.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Well thank god for Medicaid! As I'd have no real chance in getting insurance. I either would be denied or I'd have to pay more than I make.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 01:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Libertarian ideals of caring for the sick are charging exorbitant prices for their funerals.

[identity profile] crysania4.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow I wonder why I still have to pay for mine if it's free. Damn, that sucks.

[identity profile] crysania4.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder that as well. We just need to get over ourselves and move to a single payer system.

[identity profile] american-geist.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Who pooped on my healthcare wagon?

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes, Americans are too stupid to do what Israelis, Germans, and French have done successfully. We know how little faith and respect in the American people you have.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
And of course doing this without regard for the immense numbers of problems this creates. De-regulation is one of those libertarian talking poins that's utterly worthless in a real world context. Like the Command Economy, the Free Market never has existed in pure and unalloyed form and it never will.

[identity profile] op-tech-glitch.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
He doesn't care.

[identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
It appears whomever made this image needs to have Obamacare simplified for them even more because they clearly don't understand how it works. Besides, who the hell wants free healthcare? Just look at all the third world hell holes that offer "free" healthcare:

Australia, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Hong Kong, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That's doubtful.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm uncertain broadening the competitive field would substantially benefit consumers overall--because we'd still have insurance companies agreeing as a group that pre-existing conditions are excluded.

Which is a very small number of the overall pool, and can be addressed in other ways that do not operate as a way to sink the insurers the way the public option does.

And deregulating licensing schemes to get more doctors in play... Your mileage may vary here. Doctors haven't seemed too fond of lowering healthcare costs by making more of themselves. It's a lesson they've learned very well over the years--that scarcity increases revenue.

Of course. That's why we need to push away from the way we currently do licensing, to keep them from having that sort of control.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Except it works now without those changes even if you're not rich.

[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate it now that I'm covered by insurance. I would have preferred to be refused due my diverticulitis pre-existing, that way I could have died in the streets!

Thanks Obama!

[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2013-01-29 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
i no rite.

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